Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 13:11:41 -0700
From: rsrchsoc@ionet.net ("John Wilde")
Subject: [lpaz-repost] Re: [legality-of-income-tax] enough code debate already..........
To: legality-of-income-tax@yahoogroups.com
The point I am trying to make is if you haven't jumped off of the system
cliff yet, then don't. Learn only enough about the law to know why it is
wrong and then become politically active.
If however, you have jumped off, then by all means, you have left
yourself no choice but to learn even the menutia. I am sure many of the
people receiving these posts will offer an endless list of solutions to those
situations will may find yourself in in the near future. That includes
myself. A friend has likened your position to having jumped of a cliff into
a deap canyon without a parachute and now you are having to gather and sew
the materials together while falling towards the ground. He's right, I
jumped off 20 years ago and I am still trying to put that parachute together.
But here is what you are looking at. Once you get embroyled in a legal
battle, your time will be consumed with dealing with that then engaging in
meaningful political activism, which, despite the naysayers, must be our
primary focus now. Let those who are currently embroiled in legal battles
continue on, and you should provide support to them while you can, but try if
it is at all possible to keep yourself out of your own legal battles, by not
jumping in the first place.
If on the other hand you haven't jumped off, then you can take your and
others joining with you can take the political activism to the extreme and if
someone from "Big Bro" threatens you for your activity, all you have to do is
say "What are you going to do void my tax return?" In other words what you
will do is by staying "legal" is you put "Big Bro" in the position of doing
is threatening you simply because of your political views and without any
legal basis to interfere in your life.
Quite frankly, I have worked to many years working on peoples legal
messes (mine included), simply because we didn't have the patience or
knowledge before we jumped off of the cliff. There is no reason for anyone
else to become the next line of cannon fodder for "Big Bro." Fighting and if
necessary going to jail or dieing for liberty is one thing. It is your
choice afterall. But going to jail or dieing because of a foolish act taken
without complete information and that does nothing to further the cause of
liberty is another. But again the choice is yours.
All I am suggesting is that you must decide where you are going to focus
your activity once you have "learned" what you think you need to know. Are
you going to engage in legal entanglements or political activism. You will
discover that trying to do both is at best difficult.
Hindsight being 20/20, I would have chosen differently had I been a
little more patient.
g'day
John Wilde
Starfox wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:27:11AM -0700, John Wilde wrote:
> > Unfortunately at this point and time I cannot agree. Yes you
> > may be new to this, but you already have an inkling that there is
> > a problem and that the problem must solved. It is time to stop
> > trying to learn the menutia of what the 16th Amendment and the
> > income tax is all about. That study will no longer solve the
> > problem. You and anyone newer should learn only the very
> > basics. You should also stay in the "system" if you haven't
> > attempted to jump out yet and then emerse yourself into th
> > political battle that will have to be fought to end the income
> > tax. The ads published in the USA Today and some links on the
> > Give Me Liberty website and some others are sufficient to
> > understand the basic discussion about the 16th Amendment and the
> > income tax.
>
> With all due respect Mr. Wilde, I think the above is just as bad as
> what the IRS tries to push on us. "You and anyone newer should learn
> only the very basics" is akin to "Everyone knows you have to pay
> income tax."
>
> Since it will be my ass on the line, I prefer to fight with full
> information at my disposal. Know thy enemy.
>
> > You do it by calling up, making an appointment,
> > get your position in order and go down to see your legiscritter
> > and look him or her
> > in the eyes and ask him or her to justify continuing the income
> > tax in your state.
>
> Hence the need to be well versed in legal issues. For example,
> a friend of mine confronted his congrescritter about federal education.
> He asked point blank: "Where in the Constitution does it allow the
> federal government to be involved in education?" The congresscritter's
> response? "The general welfare clause." Now, there are a great deal
> of sources, from the Founding Fathers, the Federalist Papers, and a
> few Supreme Court cases which refute that. Since my friend was not
> familiar with those, he could not refute the congresscritter's
> response. So he ended up looking like the fool, and the congresscritter
> ended up looking like the righteous sttesman.
>
> If we only know the "basics", how will we defend against the lies told
> to the sheeple to support their statist policies?
>
> > And no I am not in a position at this time to start and
> > moderate a forum. This fall maybe. But not today.
>
> I'm all for political activism and taking the fight to them, but
> do not ask me to do it without being informed.
>
> --
> Starfox - taynar@earthlink.net
> "To say 'I love you' one must
> first know how to say the 'I'"
> - Howard Roark, Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead"
>
>
>
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