January 26 - March 6
This Sunday we had quite a turnout of first timers at the regular Webheads Tapped In Sunday chat! These first timers are taking part in our "Becoming a Webhead" session.
Participants: Antonia Melvin (Portugal), BJB (Pennsylvania, USA), Claire Bradin Siskin (Pittsburgh, PA, USA), Dafne Gonzalez (Valencia, Spain), David Brown (California, USA - just popped!), Elizabeth Hanson-Smith (Florida, USA), Eva Wilden (Germany), Fernanda Rodrigues (Setúbal, Portugal), João Fernandes (Beja, Portugal), Juani (Chile), Maggi Doty (Germany), María Jordano (Córdoba, Spain), Sara Martín (Gran Canaria, Spain), Renata Suzuki (Japan), Susanne Nyrop (Denmark) and Teresa Almeida d'Eça (Lisbon, Portugal).
| Sun, 18Jan2004
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# Tappedin transcript for TeresaD,
2004.01.18 06:27:38 TeresaD joined the room. TeresaD: morning, eva! how are you? TeresaD left the room. Room: WIA_Grp TeresaD joined the room. TeresaD: hi, eva! i'm already in the reception TeresaD left the room. Room: TI_Reception TeresaD joined the room. TeresaD: hi maggi MargaretD hugs Tere MargaretD: Hi TeresaD: how's the weather in germany? TeresaD: it's sunny but cold in lisbon MargaretD: not so bad MargaretD: cold and sunny MargaretD: 5C EvaW joined the room. MargaretD: Hi Eva EvaW: hi teresa, hi margaret TeresaD: hi eva. welcome! EvaW: thank you EvaW: does the meeting take place in here? TeresaD: eva, maggi is a veteran webhead living and working in germany MargaretD: here for Webheads? EvaW: yes for webheads TeresaD: maggi, eva is in our becoming a webhead session MargaretD: yes Eva EvaW: oh, great. maggi where are you in Germany? MargaretD: south of Frankfurt EvaW: I'm in Kassel. just 200 km. :-) TeresaD: eva, our sunday meetings always take place in the ti reception, or elsewhere when necessary MargaretD: still in Hesse EvaW: allright. I thought they were in the webheads room TeresaD: no, eva, bec. at this early time for the states very few people are here MargaretD: this is the room on Sunday TeresaD: yes. and we always have a chance to welcome a newcomer that may come by. it's nice EvaW: yes, I noticed. I was here two hours ago. mixed up GMT +/- 1 hour. :-) And nobody was there. :-) MargaretD: lol TeresaD: it's easy to get gmt (+ and -) mixed up MargaretD: time change EvaW: I had some difficulties finding my way from my office to the TI reception. Is there any easy way to find the reception? DafneG joined the room. EvaW: hi dafne TeresaD: welcome daf! hugs to you MargaretD: click on TI reception DafneG: hi there everybody DafneG kisses everybody on both cheeks MargaretD: Hi Daf EvaW: I did, but then I was still in my office chat MargaretD: hmmm TeresaD: in the Favorite places, top right, click on TI reception and then Go DafneG: hi Eva EvaW: oh, where should I click on TI reception? EvaW: I did that teresa, but the chat window didnt change TeresaD: maybe you weren't. maybe it seemed as if you were, bec. the chat page does not change, but the top window does DafneG: in Favorites Places in the passageways MargaretD: it should be just above the chat box DafneG: I meant or in the paasageways EvaW: hmmm, I think I tried all that... anyway... I'll try again. SaraMa joined the room. SaraMa left the room. MargaretD: Hi Sara DafneG waves hi to Sara SaraMa joined the room. EvaW: perhaps I changed something in my office's set-up TeresaD: eva, if you click on the Online tab, bottom left, you will always see where you and others are DafneG: hi Sara SaraMa: Hi everybody! TeresaD: hi sara. welcome! EvaW: thanks, teresa EvaW: Hi sara DafneG waves hi to Sara ElizabethH joined the room. SaraMa: It's my first time to Tapped in chat... DafneG: welcome! EvaW: Sara, mine too TeresaD: hi elizabeth. welcome to a great get-together! MargaretD: Hi Eli8zabeth ElizabethH: Hi Webheads! DafneG hugs Elizabeth SaraMa: Dafne, how did you do that of "waving"? TeresaD: well, i hope you enjoy yourselves here, sara and eva SaraMa: or hugging? ElizabethH: It feels so good to see friends online. EvaW: yes, I'd like to know too DafneG: just type : and the action EvaW: so far I do teresa DafneG: colon and action TeresaD: it sure does, elizabeth. and we always know where to look for them, don't we? EvaW waves to everyone MargaretD: colon and then what you wnt to do EvaW: Oh, great, it worked SaraMa greet DafneG: great!! SaraMa greets everyone ElizabethH hugs to everyone SaraMa: now!!! DafneG . o O ( they are fast learners ) EvaW: does it work in every chat like this or just in TI? DafneG: only in some, Eva DafneG: MOO based and the like ElizabethH: Hi Sara and Eva--welcome--I saw you had joined the CoP WIA room, but have you also joined our Yahoo Group? EvaW: yes, I have Elizabeth SaraMa: Yes, I have. DafneG: Eva is in our Becoming a webheab session, Elizabeth TeresaD: and sara, too, eliz EvaW Eva likes this and smiles at everyone DafneG: we have around 80 participants already TeresaD: great, eva! TeresaD: a big turnout so far, daf DafneG: yes TeresaD: i'm very happy DafneG . o O ( me too ) ElizabethH: Wow! I am impressed at the turnout! I've only had a bout 2 that are for Video Webheads. DafneG: nice group of participants SaraMa: Do the sessions take place every year? TeresaD: yes DafneG: yes, Sara TeresaD: this is the third or fourth year, sara DafneG: Sara has a wonderful page, Elizabeht SaraMa: But the group goes on working after the sessions, doesn't it? EvaW: Elizabeth, what do you mean by video webheads? DafneG: fourth, I think DafneG: Webheads yes SaraMa: Thanks Dafne! SaraMa: Sara:blushes DafneG: we started as a session in 2002 and have been together since TeresaD: what a way to learn! TeresaD: i love it ElizabethH: My EV Online session is about using video and audio on the Web, and is called Video Webheads SaraMa: Well, that's great.Such a long time sharing expereicnes together MargaretD: although the original Webheads started much earlier EvaW: Oh, I didn't see that in the list. thanks! TeresaD: right, sara DafneG: a great learning community, Sara SaraMa: Elizabeth. I'm interested in that. ElizabethH: I joined the Webheads in that session also. TeresaD: and we learn so much in such a short time DafneG: you should join in Sara SaraMa: But I didn't see it in the sessions DafneG: I said that in my diss, Tere SaraMa: Is that real English Online?or something different TeresaD: the sessions are all interesting. the problem is finding time for everything DafneG: yes, that's it ElizabethH: I started the Video group as a spin off from yet another EVO session--an introduction to using HTML. SaraMa: Elizabeth, could you give us the link to the YG? TeresaD: i've said that quite often, daf. i really feel that ElizabethH: The Video group meets at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Real_English_Online SaraMa: Ok! then I'm one of your two members! EvaW: Elizabeth, do you do some kind of desktop-video-conferencing? DafneG: I am very happy today, I finished with my diss at 5am this morning. Wanted to share this with you TeresaD: and i keep on saying that i get much more done in an online meeting than in a f2f meeting EvaW: Congratulations, Daf! DafneG: thanks TeresaD: congrats, daf. i'm very happy for you TeresaD -) DafneG: yes, I said that in my diss too MargaretD: congrats Daf :-) SaraMa: Yes, you must be really tired and you're still here Dafne!! DafneG: thanks :-) SaraMa: I'm impressed! TeresaD: well, daf, we are absolutely 'in synch'!!! ElizabethH: Eva--we will be doing video chats with Yahoo Messenger--at least. ElizabethH: And they will be coordinated with either LearningTimes or right here in Tapped In. EvaW: sounds interesting, Elizabeth, I'll have a look at your page DafneG: we have a previous experience of video-chats with my students in Caracas EvaW: yes, I think you told me about it, daf ElizabethH: We have 10 free videos for beginners at Real English.com, which also have exercises made in Hot Potatoes. DafneG: Elizabeht, Mike, Sus and I and the students in Caracas ElizabethH: So our group will learn to use Hot Pot also. TeresaD: eva, did you get to read my report about my first audioconference? it was so much fun! DafneG: video, HP and chat is a great combination TeresaD: sure is, daf EvaW: oh, that's great. I did two audio-conferencing workshops on using hot pot too. TeresaD: i love hotpot EvaW: yes, tere, I read the report, sounds really interesting. thanks for your reply DafneG: interesting, Eva TeresaD: you're welcome, eva SaraMa: So do I. By the way, do you think posting Michael Rottmeier's site to Webheads would be redundant? ElizabethH: My best effort so far was Webcam in Yahoo Messenger, plus voice chat in LearningTimes, with the text chat in LT also. ClaireB joined the room. ElizabethH: Eva--you should really join our REO group! DafneG: Sara, sites are never redudant, people select the ones they feel more comfortable with EvaW: Elizabeht, do you mean webcam in YM and voice chat in LT at the same time? TeresaD: i agree with daf, sara MargaretD: A lot of We heads have joined Sara DafneG: or the ones which are more appropriate for their needs ClaireB: hello folks ClaireB hugs all ElizabethH: Please type that address here, Sara. TeresaD: hugs clarinha DafneG hugs Claire SaraMa: Have you worked with ElizabethH: Hi Claire! ElizabethH hugs Claire EvaW: Hi Claire SusanneN joined the room. DafneG hugs Sus ClaireB: Hi Sus TeresaD: clarinha, we have two new webheads with us today: eva and sara EvaW: Elizabeth, I'll think about it ClaireB hugs sus SaraMa: Hello everybody! SusanneN: Hello dear Webheads EvaW: Hi Sus TeresaD: hi sus ClaireB: Hi Eva and Sara! MargaretD: Hi Sus and Claire SusanneN: Welcoem , Sara and Eva! DafneG: Sus, we have Eva and Sara with us here today TeresaD: eva from germany and sara from spain EvaW: thanks sus ElizabethH: Eva--yes, you can do the webcam and voice chat with YM and LT at the same time. It's a virtual video conference. SaraMa: Thanks Sus EvaW: Well I'm looking forward to learning more about that in the BaW workshop SaraMa: I was asking whther you have worked with Hot Pot modified scripts? DafneG: yes, Jonathan will give a chat from LT SusanneN hugs all her good old friends -Elizabeth, Daf, Tere, Maggi (Margaret) and Claire ElizabethH: Sara--I just started working with HP, but haven't modified scripts, as far as I know. TeresaD: i haven't, sara. just very basic things SaraMa: http://www.teaching-tools.de.vu/ DafneG . o O ( I did not like the word old :-) ) EvaW: me too Sara SaraMa: That is great. Very easy to use ClaireB: Sara, in what way are you modifying the scripts of hot potatoes? TeresaD: old are the rags, as we say in portugal! DafneG: Mike does incredible things with HP ElizabethH thinks--at least it's not old good friends! SusanneN: I was involved in a HotPot workshop last year ElizabethH: Where was that Sus? SaraMa: I have not modified them Claire. Michael Rottmeier has. EvaW: in what way modified? ClaireB: she meant "old" in the best possible way, I'm sure :-) SaraMa: It allows you to create new sort of exercises using Hot Pot ClaireB: coool SusanneN: Yes, Mike knows how to create questions and answers using the Hot Pot potential to a maximum I think TeresaD: i've seen this site, sara. somebody mentioned it in REO, eliz. SaraMa: And they're really easy to use. ElizabethH: That teaching-tools site looks interesting. I wonder if Mike Marzio knows about it? MargaretD: the snakes and ladders was nice DafneG: yes, I enjoyed playing :-) SaraMa: The sanakes and ladders by Birgit was great! ElizabethH: My only objection to Hot Pot is that the exercises just seem MCQ or fill-in. ElizabethH: Yes, the snakes and ladders was great. I asked about where the pictures came from, but didn't get an answer yet. SaraMa: I also like Quandary very much. I use it in my teacher training courses, and I'm starting with my students now... DafneG: I think I did a good job using HP for content and not only language in my architecture unit ClaireB: it seems to me that quandary offers more oppportunity to stimulate conversation than hot pot SusanneN: I agree with you, Elizabeth, and I cannot invent this kind of true or flase exercises - to me, there will always be more to it than just yes or no, and more than one answer may be the right one SaraMa: I haven't seen that Dafne. Where can I? DafneG: on my page, let me get the url SusanneN left the room (signed off). DafneG: scroll down the page to pre-viewing and post-viewing exos http://www.oocities.org/dygonza/video.html ElizabethH: There used to be a Quandry software on CD. ClaireB: here is the ClaireB: http://www.halfbakedsoftware.com/quandary.php RenataS joined the room. DafneG: hi Renata TeresaD: welcome, renata! EvaW: hi renata SaraMa: Hi Renata DafneG hugs Reanata MargaretD: Hi Renata RenataS: hello, sorry im late DafneG: there is no late here, Renata TeresaD: we are never late here, renata RenataS: this chat board is so small DafneG: he he RenataS: ty ty for the warm welcome DafneG: you can detach the window DafneG: in the actions menu DafneG: look for detach RenataS: aha SaraMa: Wow, it looks better now! RenataS: no funky color fonts? DafneG: good SaraMa: I mean detached! DafneG: no, Renata you can not have your beautiful rainbow combinations here :-( RenataS: nice and big now ty for the advice RenataS: ah well just have to talk rainbow DafneG: right RenataS smiles SusanneN joined the room. DafneG: wb, Sus MargaretD: wb Sus SusanneN: Am I or am I not with you now? SaraMa: Dafne, your Achitecture unit looks really interesting! RenataS: wb susan TeresaD: you are sus DafneG . o O ( I guess you are ) SusanneN: Thank you DafneG: thanks, Sara SusanneN: I was having a problem SaraMa: wb susan1 RenataS: i went to a workshop on groupwork today DafneG: tell us about it, Renata DafneG: I work with cooperative-collaborative groups RenataS: well, it was more about giving students chunks of language SusanneN: Daf's English for architecture unit was very interesting; I had teh opportunity to be an external observer on this nad was amazed how the students were able to use their chat meetings for group work. ElizabethH Tere--what does "old are the rags" mean? I've been noodling and don't get it. RenataS: to be able to function as a group leader ElizabethH: Renata--give us some examples RenataS: with four duties, opening discussion, asking for opinions, summarizing main points and closing discussion TeresaD: it means that people never get old, only the rags, the cloths we use at home for cleaning RenataS: so for number one, the chunk RenataS: "ok, lets get going" TeresaD: i guess it means we are always young at heart, at least RenataS: or "is everybody ready to start RenataS: and then for asking opinions RenataS: the chunkdo you have any ideas, renata RenataS: as in add the name RenataS: or"what do you think, wallace?" ElizabethH: What a good idea--I think knowing things like "it's your turn" and so on, are very valuable for getting discussion going. RenataS: and then the chunk "here's what we'bve talked about until now" RenataS: for summarizing MargaretD: god for Business, too DafneG: very structured MargaretD: good not god RenataS: and then for finishing "well it's time to finish up" or "If nobody has anything elseto say i'll tell the teacher we're finished ElizabethH: If you don't know the words, it's hard to keep the group on task. RenataS: so that they know the words to scaffold the process MargaretD: not for beginners ElizabethH: Where was the workshop Renata? RenataS: that was in yokohama RenataS: the local section of the yokohama Jalt DafneG: you have to teach students to be able to organize themselves and be on task on their own, I think that the design of the task is fundamental for that RenataS: (Japan association of Language teachers SusanneN: yes, structured, but for all those who do not know how to lead a discussion, that would be helpful; first you do this as a systematic four step exercise, and then you would be able to identify which kind of transtions are useful in whoch situations ElizabethH: I've seen groups work with very beginner beginners, but the teacher has to do some modeling of the language and process first. RenataS: yeah, this was about giving language and training for group work RenataS: and then there is training for the groupmembers RenataS: who have five duties RenataS: to give an opinion, to respond, to agree with a reformulation RenataS: or to disagree with a friendly intro like i see what you mean but RenataS: and to ask for clarification ElizabethH oOO sophisticated disagreement RenataS: yes, because kids here are told english is direct MargaretD: all things I cover with my students SusanneN: I appreciate the civilized disagreement RenataS: and it comes across as rude DafneG: I think such structured "grammar" of group discussion is good for beginners ElizabethH: My more advanced students always thought English was very cold until I taught them how to write short poems in English RenataS: i loved the way these two uni lecturers offered chunks of language for each duty ClaireB: that's very interesting - disagreement is a difficult skill for non-English speakers DafneG agrees with claire MargaretD: German is more direct EvaW: yes I agree :-) RenataS: agrees with claire too RenataS: i'm not much good myself, often put my foot init ClaireB: I notice that so far we are all women here today. IN my CALL class this semseter I have only women ElizabethH: Over 50% of US college population is now women. DafneG: Vance is travelling to Egypt today, that's why he is not here EvaW: Claire, I was wondering about this myself MargaretD: does that make a difference Clire? ClaireB: I thought that his session there is on the 23rd ElizabethH: Poor guys--they aren't going to get all the good jobs any more. DafneG: We have a good male representation in my Department ClaireB: pooooooor guys SaraMa: Shame that's something people don't know idely. My students keep believing that my site had to be created by my husband!!! DafneG: almost 50% SusanneN: and even more so, when it hapens online, among people from different cultures. Saying things in a very direct and honest manner is not always accepted ( in Denmark, we have a kind of consensus culture that dislikes confrontations, but still say things as we mean them, direct and open) ElizabethH LOL DafneG: he he to Sara ClaireB: Sara, you mean that sweet little you made your website all by your self???? ClaireB: (just joking) SusanneN: Did you ever learn about appreciative Inquiry -the Giraffe and the hyena? DafneG: hehe ElizabethH: Tell us sus RenataS: yes, can be difficult online too sus RenataS: i'm all ears DafneG . o O ( I know Sus can be very direct ) SusanneN: The hyena always tried to fight! RenataS: appreciative enquiry ClaireB: lol daf SaraMa: No, I'm serious... they do not believe me . my husband and i work at the same school. He has his website and i have mine. And my own students do not believe me when I tell them I helped Juanjo in designing his... RenataS: sounds like a great new buzzword SusanneN: he likes to get straight to the topic and can be very aggressive RenataS: which country is that, sara? SusanneN: but giraffes wait and take a great overlook of teh situation with hteir long necks SaraMa: Spain...old Spain... DafneG: Spain :-) ElizabethH: Good parable, Sus--it is useful in essay writing as well as conversation. RenataS: ho hum, so it's more of an innate personality thing, how you phrase things, SusanneN: The oroginator of this idea is called Marshall Rosenberg RenataS: whether you are a giraffe or a hyena? DafneG: a good fable to use with students, Sus ElizabethH: I think it can be learned/taught, however. SusanneN: and is used pretty much here in Denmark for teachers SusanneN: yes SusanneN: I sometimes try to be more Giraffe like BjB joined the room. SusanneN: but I was brought up among hyenas MargaretD: Renata, culture comes into play as well, too. DafneG: do you, Sus? DafneG: he he ElizabethH: If you have ever hurt someone's feelings by being too direct, you become more Giraffe-like. DafneG hugs BJ warmly SusanneN hits Daf in her head with a thin paper SusanneN hugs BJ; meet our newcomers, Eva and Sara DafneG: lol RenataS: hello bj BjB smiles and hugs everyone good day MargaretD hugs BJ EvaW: Hi BjB SaraMa: Hello BJ BjB: Hi, Eva and Sara. Welcome to the community TeresaD hugs bj DafneG: REnata is also new here, BJ ElizabethH hugs BJ EvaW: thanks BJ DafneG: they are in our becoming a webhead session ClaireB hugs BJ BjB: Welcome to you, too, Renata! SaraMa: yes, thanks... RenataS: ty ty Bj SusanneN: Oh, sorry, Renata, I was not aware you had not been with un an a chat before RenataS: feeling most welcome RenataS: no prob, no offence taken love being here MargaretD: but you need to know when you have hurt someone's feelings Elizabeth BjB: Sara, are you also a new member? DafneG: Renata and I have had some nice chit-chatting SaraMa: Yes , I am RenataS: hugs daf RenataS )) RenataS )) DafneG smiles to Renata ElizabethH: Maggie--I was just going to go on with that--having a good, impartial observer of the situation can really help with processing new ways to interact. RenataS: oooh losing my smiley SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. RenataS: wb susanne RenataS: need glue? DafneG: he he SusanneN: BJ, I have a technical problem... DafneG: csl EvaW laugs EvaW laughs ElizabethH: I've seen some of this with my freshmen students, who interact too directly when critiquing others' papers. SaraMa -D BjB: something I can help with, Sus? SusanneN: when I wish to open a new page in my browser, I am exlcuded of this rrom SusanneN: tell, me how I can avoid this, do you happen to know the problem? ElizabethH: Sus--you may have set your browser to open a limited number of pages. RenataS: yes, it can be very difficult elizabeth BjB: try pressing your control or open apple key while you open the new window, Sus FernandaR joined the room. SusanneN: oh no, that is not why DafneG hugs Fernanda SusanneN: ok, BJ, ,I will try that TeresaD: welcome, fernanda! FernandaR: hello everybody ClaireB: HI fernanda SusanneN hugs Fernanda too EvaW: hi fernanda RenataS: a technique i learned or rather am kind of trying to use is to say two nice things, praise two things for every thing you critique DafneG: nice to see you around Fern ElizabethH hugs Fernanda--long time no "see" ClaireB hugs fernanda MargaretD: are your students American Elizabeth? MariaJ joined the room. SusanneN left the room (signed off). SusanneN joined the room. MargaretD: sandwiching Renata BjB: guess that didn't work, Sus DafneG waves hi to Maria RenataS: hello fernanda ElizabethH: They are very mixed--I used to have Spanish speakers (multiple American countries), Chinese from Taiwan, Hong Kong, and China, Korean, Persian speakers, Arab speakers, etc. all in one classroom. MargaretD: Hi Maria TeresaD: morning maria RenataS: big mix, elixabeth ClaireB: hi maria FernandaR: Hi, Maria ClaireB hugs maria ElizabethH: Oh, and Russian--who are the "rudest" by American standards--very direct and hyperciritical. DafneG: my students can be very hard when co and self evaluating RenataS: hi maria EvaW: hi maria ElizabethH co? RenataS: gosh SaraMa: Hi Maria and Fernanda RenataS: russian students hypercritical DafneG: peer-evaluation, Elizabeth ElizabethH: The high school where I consulted had students from 109 language backgrounds. RenataS: i always thought of russian people as big hearted and romantic ElizabethH: That too, Renata. JuanaB joined the room. DafneG hugs Juani MargaretD: that has to do with culture and language Elizabeth DafneG: long time no see, Juani FernandaR: what a babel! TeresaD: hi juani. welcome! SusanneN: I:hugs Juani RenataS: oh, is it not always like this? DafneG: what do you mean, Renata? RenataS: well fernanda said what a babel DafneG: oh, I see the babel tower JuanaB left the room (signed off). DafneG: yes, it usually is TeresaD: we always have chaotic threading, renata, if that's what you mean DafneG: another one who needs glue RenataS: kk, so it's chat as usual then... MargaretD: no structure here...:-) ElizabethH: Maybe they become big-hearted and romantic as adults, but as kids, they are punishingly criticial--of themselves and of others. ElizabethH kk? DafneG: a good change RenataS: i tried a self assessment scheme with my students DafneG listens RenataS: and the girls tend to give ethemselves toomuch credit RenataS: and the boys too little, like they are harder on themselves RenataS: these are fifteen, sixteen year olds DafneG: I design rubrics with the students, for them to self and peer evaluations EvaW: I'd have expected it the other way round, renata ElizabethH very interesting results RenataS: that was about the only thing i learned out of it, they didn't do it religiously every class as i had hoped RenataS: but kind of filled it in in one fell swoop at the end of term MargaretD: you ae in Japan, right Renata? SusanneN: I found it was very interesting to read what Buth's students had to say about their recent experiencs with online presentation... DafneG: yes, it was interesting, nice project SaraMa: Renata, were they reluctant to self evaluation? My students are (same age) SusanneN: those were answers to some open questions ElizabethH: Do you have a page/address for that, Sus? RenataS: when i said i would collect it and look at it ElizabethH don't want to kick you offline again... RenataS: yep, japan, margaret SusanneN: BUth reported that yesterday, Elizabeth ElizabethH: Renata--that sounds like students everywhere! DafneG: Sara, I think that Spanish students are not used to self-evaluations SusanneN: I've found a solution with BJ, I need to have two windows open ElizabethH: OK--haven't checked my dailies yet RenataS: well they don't really mind, it's the first time ever for them to do it i think DafneG: I have found they are not used to be critical SaraMa: They hate it! SusanneN: (for my little technical problem) RenataS: so they didn't really understand the why and wherefore ElizabethH: What browser are you using Sus? RenataS: i shall ask them in a feedback questionnaire at the end of term TeresaD: my 5th graders are great at evaluating themselves ElizabethH: I used to make my writing students attach a page to each essay draft with (a) what they thought was the best thing about their draft and (b) where they wanted to get more help. DafneG: maybe it is the kind of educational system, Sara EvaW slowly moves to the exit and says bye to everyone ElizabethH: It worked really well because they had to do it every time they turned in a draft. SaraMa: You're lucky them Teresa! But perhaps that is conditioned by the age BjB: Elizabeth, Sus was using the file menu to open a new window. That triggered her machine to think she was opening another TI window and automatically closed the first one TeresaD: bye, eva. nice week! JuanaB joined the room. EvaW: Sorry, I've got to leave ElizabethH waves bye to Eva BjB waves bye to Eva. RenataS: that's a good idea, elixabeth DafneG: bye, Eva, it was nice to see you here JuanaB: Hi MargaretD: bye Eva! RenataS: bye eva SaraMa: bye Eva! ClaireB: bye eva EvaW: bye BjB: Hi, Juana. Welcome EvaW waves to everyone FernandaR: bye, Eva JuanaB: Thanks....I?m sorry I? m late. RenataS: i think i'll be off to bed EvaW left the room (signed off). RenataS: i have my usual four classes tomorrow and up early.... ElizabethH bye Renata--great discussion. DafneG: Thanks for coming, renata BjB waves sweet dreams to Renata TeresaD: nice to have you here, renata. hope you enjoyed, and thansk for the great feeedback :-) MargaretD: bye Renata SaraMa: bye Renata RenataS: ty for the warm welcome RenataS: see you all next week, i hope DafneG: sure :-) JuanaB: Where is Renata from? RenataS left the room (signed off). ElizabethH: Renata is teaching in Japan--don't know country of origin. DafneG: she is from Scotland, living in Japan, MargaretD: she teaches in Japaqn JuanaB: ah,,great! MariaJ: hi MariaJ: wow.... MariaJ: my conection is crazy.... DafneG: Maria, where have you been ElizabethH welcome Fernanda, Maria, and Juana! MariaJ: I don't when I am on line or why not..... sorry FernandaR: but she has a very japanese surname - Suzuki DafneG: I have seen you here for a while and was wondering why you did not say anything JuanaB: I had problems to log in,too.I don? know why...Hi Elizabeth DafneG: she married a japanese MargaretD: maybe her husband FernandaR: I see .... :) SusanneN: Hello Maria, I was away for a moment DafneG: Renata is a musician DafneG: she writes songs for kids with environmental wise content FernandaR: I see you know a lot about Renata, Daf SusanneN: Elizabeth - I found that recent message from Buth: here is hr link: ElizabethH: I was wondering if you would all like a sneak preview of a new project I am working on. I am doing a series of pages for students to learn how to write the academic English essay, starting with the paragraph. DafneG: We have chatted a couple of times this past week SusanneN: Buth says: "The following web-page, which I promised to create at the end, shows SusanneN: Students'and Webheads'feedback messages, in addition to other SusanneN: related material. Kindly, have a look: SusanneN: http://alothman-b.tripod.com/162_finalpage.htm SusanneN: " DafneG: she is a member of our Becoming a WEbhead session SusanneN: eh, whan an elegant quate :-( JuanaB: I went directly to the photo gallery TeresaD: i'd like that, eliz. DafneG: show us, Elizabeht ClaireB: yes, show us Elizabeth SusanneN: speaking of our Becoming a Webhead workshop, it was a pleasant surprise to me that it started early as a pre-workshop with wo many active participants! ElizabethH: I have put them into a yahoo group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/academic_writing. SusanneN: all those Yahoo gropus :-)) ElizabethH: I have just one exercise up so far, but will add some more this afternoon during the football games. SusanneN: I wonder how many exists ElizabethH: It is based on my software, Constructing the Paragraph, which was written in HyperCard--you remember, Claire? TeresaD: o love that photo, eliz. SusanneN: Elizabeth, Yahoo tells me ther is no such group JuanaB: yes,same to me SusanneN: must be a bug in the url TeresaD: take the full stop at the end, sus ElizabethH: Oh, maybe the . got added to the link. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/academic_writing SusanneN: yes, I just saw that point TeresaD: delete the full stop, i mean ElizabethH o O good pun, Sus JuanaB: now it did open ElizabethH: now you have to join the group, unfortunately. FernandaR: it's only for members FernandaR: can we join? ElizabethH: If you request to join, I'll add you today and you can try out the page in the FILES area. TeresaD: my membership is pending, eliz. FernandaR: ok SusanneN: I've also applied, Elizabeth MariaJ: I have to go. See you then MariaJ left the room (signed off). SusanneN: Goodbye Maria FernandaR: I'm going to have lunch, see you later SusanneN: Bye fernanda ElizabethH: Goodie--I approved three of you already! MargaretD: Bye Fernanda TeresaD: bye, fernanda ElizabethH: Bye Fernanda--sorry you have to go. DafneG: bye Fernanda SaraMa: I've also applied. I have to go now or a divorce is about to come...;-D JuanaB: yes,these groups are very interesting for students to work with.I?ve been working with them also TeresaD: thanks, eliz MargaretD: byr Sara DafneG: I have sent my request to join the group, Eliz DafneG: bye Sara SaraMa: See you all! TeresaD: bye, sara SaraMa waves goodbye ClaireB: bye sara SaraMa left the room (signed off). ElizabethH: I'm happy to have you use the materials--there will be five pages of tutorials and five pages of Hot Point exercises once I am finished. ElizabethH: You can use them with your students. JuanaB: I also sent my request Eliz.I love learning new things DafneG: thanks elizabeht JuanaB: Thanks a lot Eliz. ElizabethH: Juana and Daf--you are in--I didn't think Yahoo would be so fast. DafneG: it is ElizabethH: Stay tuned for more pages soon. DafneG: I will JuanaB: yes,it is.. ElizabethH: Could you try a page before you go? JuanaB: yes,please ElizabethH: Go to files and open the Paragraph folder. DafneG: I got the welcome message already MargaretD: nap time..have a good day DafneG: bye Maggie ElizabethH: The first file in this folder is the main page to access the other materials. DafneG: I see ElizabethH bye Maggie MargaretD left the room (signed off). TeresaD: ladies, we at BaW, got an invitation from john carter of talking communities to join him for a ppt on jan 21. we'd like to invite you all to join us TeresaD: Just a reminder about the upcoming PowerPoint training schedule for Wednesday, January 21st at 11:00 AM Eastern (New York) time. Please feel free to invite as many of your friends and associates as you like so we can all learn together! Just forward this link to them. When the dialog box pops up, simply enter your name and click OK to enter the room. I look forward to seeing you there! TeresaD: http://www.ondemandconferencing.com/entrance.pl?room=a262927&pass=null TeresaD: that is the message he sent daf and me ElizabethH: Goodie! Tere ElizabethH: I'll try to get this chat up as a Web page soon. TeresaD: tc is practically the same as alado ElizabethH: Oh,oh, I'm on a Mac here in FL, so won't be able to participate. TeresaD: we will send a message to wia, reo and baw. ok? JuanaB: I?l try to join you,too on Wed. JoaoF joined the room. ElizabethH: Too bad, as it's a good time. ClaireB: hello Joao TeresaD: what a shame. let me see what we can do. they said sth about that the other day. i'll contact them today JoaoF: hello, how are you? ElizabethH: Thanks, Tere TeresaD: hi, joao. welcome! ElizabethH hi Joao! We needed the male perspective B-) DafneG: hi Joao JoaoF: finally got here TeresaD: yes we did, eliz. ElizabethH: Sorry all, I must leave, as my husband is wanting breakfast. ElizabethH: I'll leave my browser up so that I get the rest of the conversation. JuanaB: Eliz I opend the folder,to.Lots of materials to work with DafneG: thanks for the material, Elizabeth ClaireB: bye lizabeth JuanaB: Have a nice breakfast Eliz.I was having mine,too. TeresaD: see you, eliz DafneG: Joao, you missed Eva, Sara and Renata from our BaW session SusanneN: I tried the first exercise, Elizabeth, technicaly speaking it works SusanneN: Hi Joao, thank you for joining us JoaoF: Pity, but I had to stay up late yesterday to finish some work and to get up today was difficult JuanaB: yes,I remember Aiden and me worked together with our advanced classes last year. DafneG: I know what you mean I went to bed at 5am JoaoF: I went at 4.30 ElizabethH: Sus, does that mean it doesn't work other than technically? Try the tutorial too. SusanneN: Sorry, Elzabeth -my problem was academic :;-) JuanaB: We had a yahoogroup where we shared files,show pictures,had emails,etc..it was alot of fun aand good exercise for the students. ElizabethH: I put in a lot of animations to help with the explanation. DafneG: I will try the exos later today, Elizabeth SusanneN: I was unable to find the correct answer ElizabethH: Uh oh--you need the tutorial, eh? DafneG: so you need the exos, Sus SusanneN: I will try the totorial JuanaB left the room (signed off). ElizabethH: Think "simple-mindedly," Sus SusanneN: yes, Daf, I might need to do some exercises on Academic writing, for sure! ElizabethH: Really do have to run--love to you all! SusanneN: enjoy your breakfast, Elizabeth ClaireB: me too -- see you all next Sunday! ElizabethH: It's great reading everyone! JuanaB joined the room. DafneG: I am fed up of academic writing after my diss JuanaB: I went to the group and lost the connection,sorry ClaireB left the room (signed off). SusanneN: Daf, you will need to reaqd some realxing trivial novels DafneG: yessssss AntoniaM joined the room. SusanneN: I sometiems do that, after exhausting days with only academic texts SusanneN: Hello Antonia! DafneG: I had fun going back to Yeats poems TeresaD: hi, antonia. welcome! DafneG: welcome, Antonia SusanneN: Welcome to our Sunday chat in Webheads AntoniaM: hello, i made it! TeresaD: i'm glad you made it today :-) JoaoF: Hi antonia AntoniaM: hallo everyone, good to see you! JuanaB: Hi Antonia,how are you doing? SusanneN: Daf, yes, the Yeats puzzle was a nice distraction TeresaD: we've had 'chaotic threading', antonia. it has calmed down now DafneG: I love some of his poems DafneG: the Second Coming, for instance AntoniaM: yes, it'll take a bit of getting used to, i don't chart very much usually, need practice! SusanneN: I never read anything from Yeats before. I've not had that kind of literature education ever AntoniaM: poetry - clive james was reading sum of his on the parkinson show on bbc...i didn't realise he wrote such great stuff... SusanneN: Antonia, a little dirty trick you will need: find the Actions menu at teh top right of this chat window... DafneG: I enjoyed my lit classes in high school and at the university TeresaD: relax, antonia. you'll soon get the grasp of things SusanneN: pull down the menu, scroll down to Detach SusanneN: that will give you a second (detached) window DavidBro joined the room. JoaoF: Thanks Susanne,I didn? know that DafneG: Welcome, David DafneG: nice to have you here TeresaD: hi, david. welcome! JoaoF: hi david DavidBro: Hi, AntoniaM: thanks susanah - got it! := SusanneN: and, to stop the wild suite of sentences rolling diwn before your eues, freeze teh text in the Actions/send to pasteboard DafneG: are you awake? or came here in your dreams DafneG: what time is it in California? SusanneN: Hello Dave, and good morning to you TeresaD: lol, daf DavidBro: I'm just testing. See you later. SusanneN: I need to have a cofee break, bye for now SusanneN looks away DafneG: ok, now you know where we are, David TeresaD: i guess it was a dream, daf ;-) DafneG . o O ( I think so ) DavidBro left the room. AntoniaM: i had a friend who used to write & paint her dreams, fscinating, but i don't seem to make time for that kinda stuff.... DafneG: it is nice to see new people in here, isn't it DavidBro joined the room. TeresaD: wb, david DavidBro left the room (signed off). AntoniaM: it's great to talk with you all!:) AntoniaM: it's a beautiful day here in portugal, what's it like in other places? DafneG: REnata, Sara and Eva were here earlier DafneG: it is windy and grayish here, Tere AntoniaM: where are you daf? DafneG: in VAlencia, Spain JuanaB: Thanks Antonia. It? a very nice day here in the South of Chile.La Union is my town ,Osorno is the closest city. DafneG: by the mediterranean sea AntoniaM: quite a ways away from lisbon.... AntoniaM: tha atalantic is so much COLDER than the Med! i only swim in july! DafneG: well, it depends on where you dive from, JuanaB: It?s summer time for us in the Pacific Ocean AntoniaM: where are you exactly juana? DafneG: our venezuelan part of the Atlantic is very warm JuanaB: are you having very cold days there? JuanaB: I?m in the tenth region in Chile,South America AntoniaM: it was cold in lisbon about a week ago DafneG: but I remember the Atlantic from the portuguese coast looked very cold and wild JoaoF: It is still cold in the south of portugal AntoniaM: Chile,...I'd luv to visit, met lots of luvly childenos in london! TeresaD: it is, daf. esp. up north. but it's pretty cold for me in my area JuanaB: you can access www.sernatur.cl and find x region AntoniaM: my spelling doing this leaves a lot to be desired... JoaoF: practice makes perfect AntoniaM: ok, thanks! DafneG: don't worry, Antonia DafneG: we all have our days JuanaB: yes,Many chilean are living in London,for studies and jobs. AntoniaM: as long as yr not worried then i won't! DafneG: I have a couple of chilean friends. They were here and now are back in Chile JuanaB: so you can come and visit us. DafneG smiles to Antonia DafneG: yes, they have invited me DafneG: when i go back to Venezuela, I will DafneG: it is closer from there AntoniaM: i did a month's work with the chile committee for human rights in london once a long time ago... JuanaB: I had two of my American friends here a week ago.They were fascinated with the beauty of the South. JuanaB: yes,London had a lot to do with human rights some years ago . JuanaB: King Juan Carlos from Spain has been here these days.He was in the very south and flew to la Antartica,also AntoniaM: my son who uses MSN all the time, of course, is fascinating by my chatting TeresaD: i'm sure, antonia. how cute! JuanaB: He even had to delay his flight because there was no visibility in the Antartic territory . AntoniaM: are there still very strong links between chile & Spain? TeresaD: the other day i was voice chatting with a close friend and then her 80 yera old mother popped in to her room and commented. this world is really crazy! teresa talking onthe computer! JuanaB: yes,there are and also lots of business AntoniaM: yes, it must seem crazy to people who meybe even once had to book the operator to make a call... TeresaD: i'm sure she did, antonia. AntoniaM: what i luv is that internet makes the world an easy place to travel, the world really is our oyster as the saying goes.. JuanaB: yes,old people don? understand how I works.And they think it is a waste of time when you are chating TeresaD: it's hard to keep up with all this and for it to sink in DafneG: I was watching Kink Juan Carlos in the Antartic, last night TeresaD: also true, juani JuanaB: yes,he did it. DafneG: some of my friends think I am an internet freak JuanaB: We had the King on the news all these days.He also took a cruiser to some of the islands while the Antartica trip was delayed for half a day or so DafneG: when I talk about my friends in different countries, I having a meeting with Tere to plan events, etc TeresaD: that happens with my colleagues, daf. not really with friends. TeresaD: going to have lunch and then visit my father. will leave this on. have a great week, everyone! JuanaB: yes,me.too.I show my colleagues ,too and soem of them think we are crazy... DafneG: well, the ones i am talking about are technology-phobic JuanaB: meeting on a Sunday morning DafneG: I have been saving on telephone bills since I communicate through the web AntoniaM: yes, daf & teresa, there is much value in chat but even i find myself a bit 'stick in the mud' about my teenage students chatting? i guess you may have lots of experience with using chat with students 6 i'd like to,learn from you... JuanaB: I must prepare lunch,too.I have some salmon and groceries waiting for me. JoaoF left the room (signed off). DafneG: hmmm yummy, I love salmon ElizabethH: Mmmm--Chilean salmon DafneG: I love chilean crab AntoniaM: luvly lunch juana, even king juan C would be happy with that! JuanaB: yes,chilean salmon.it looks great! AntoniaM: i think salmon is quite a feminine fish, wot do you reckon? JuanaB: yes,it?s like the king? food.You can easilu find salmon here,fresh or smoked. DafneG: yes, antonia, I have had great experiences using chat with students and student-teachers AntoniaM: i loved cebiche when i was in peru & bolivia a long time ago--- DafneG: I eat salmon very frequently JuanaB: see you next week friends.Have a nice week.I?l be in Santiago next Sunday. AntoniaM: lucky you, daf, actually it's good here in portugal too:) DafneG: yes, cebiche is also great, while you are drinking pisco sour AntoniaM: bye juana, goo to meet you DafneG: bye, Juani JuanaB left the room (signed off). LeeL joined the room. DafneG: I have analyzed 30 chat sessions with my students in Caracas DafneG: I will make an article of it AntoniaM: daf what do you use for voice stuff...i mean when you do audio chat? LeeL left the room. DafneG: I have used more text-chat with my students, I wanted to keep the chatlogs for analysis DafneG: but I have also experienced with voice chat, more informally AntoniaM: Mmmm, yes, analysing sessions may be a way to do it with my older students who need to work on their lang awareness... DafneG: well, I use chat more for fluency and negotiation of meaning in task-based activities, than for language DafneG: the language in chat is different from academic language DafneG: but they should be aware of that too AntoniaM: right, text chat, ok i'm going to look into this. what about voice chat...i could get a friend in the UK to try... DafneG: different language register for differente contexts ElizabethH: Voice chat is still very buggy, however. DafneG: voice chat is good to discuss about a given topic AntoniaM: yeah, i see what you mean, you need to be clear about the purpse of using the chat DafneG: but as Elizabeht says voice-chat applications are still very unstable DafneG: right, you can read an article I wrote about on an educational chat taxonomy AntoniaM: ok the instability is definitely something to consider, so it would be something to do as an experiment rather than as a normal way of talking... AntoniaM: i'd like to read that daf! DafneG: well, you should have another medium under your sleeve, Antonia, when you use voice applications AntoniaM: sorry that my caps key is faulty, it's not lack of respect! DafneG: it is on our reading web page, Antonia, week 6 AntoniaM: ok, thanks Daf:) DafneG: my pleasure DafneG: I had a very good experience with Ann's students in Denmark using voice chat for a discussion on cultural awareness DafneG: I do not remember now, the name of the application we used DafneG: the discussion went on for more than an hour AntoniaM: Yes, that probably would be ab exciting way to start students off using chat in classes, ...by arranging them to meet another group AntoniaM: My 16-17 yr.old IB students this year are lovely, but it's a small group, about 6-8 AntoniaM left the room. DafneG: you can plan for one on one chat activities or maybe two groups of 3 or 4 AntoniaM joined the room. DafneG: wb AntoniaM: i just got lost! DafneG: I said after you left, that you can plan for one on one chat activities or maybe two groups of 3 or 4 DafneG: it happens, Antonia AntoniaM: i think that i've lost all the earlier part of the chat.. DafneG: you will receive it in your mail box, Antonia, do not worry cindyl joined the room. DafneG: hi Cindy AntoniaM: wow, that's great, to get the chat sent i mean cindyl: hello AntoniaM: hello cindy DafneG: yes, if you are a member you do get it DafneG: about chat activities, you can reach me at YM and we can talk about this. I think that tasks are very important in using chat with students DafneG: I need to get going now, see you around. It has been nice to have you here, Antonia AntoniaM: OK , yes, I agree wbout tasks, students do need structure when using ICT because i think they associate it with freedom! DafneG: right LeeL joined the room. LeeL left the room. AntoniaM: Yes, i'm going to get lunch , thanks daf , see you!:) DafneG: you will like my taxonomy I have organized chat according to freedom AntoniaM: It's been great meeting you all & now i think i'll feel more relaxed next time, i can see how it can become a habit ( one of the good ones!) :) DafneG: he he, bye, and bon appetite AntoniaM: That sounds very interesting Daf DafneG left the room (signed off). AntoniaM: Bye take care all:) AntoniaM left the room (signed off). FernandaR left the room (signed off). cindyl left the room (signed off). TeresaD left the room (signed off). 2004.01.18 06:27:38 Signoff |
Created on 18 January 2004
Teresa Almeida d'Eça