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the art of e-teaching
 by Arnold Mühren

Sus' Questions
What's in a Name?
e-Teachers' Roles
Salmon's Model
e-Teaching Skills
The Concept of Weaving
Selection of Web Tools
Post Session Comments

[Daf] me

[Aladoadmin] thanks Daf

[RenataS] welcome bob

[RenataS] daf is just introducing arnold

[elderbob] Thanks for letting me know...I was two hours off.

[RenataS] wow, that makes ten years

[RenataS] vance's guard??? ;)

[Sus in Denmark] Arnold Mühren is speaking about the Art of e-teaching, and we will have a discussion

[Teresa] very nice quote, arnold  :-) 

Sus' Questions

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/sus.html

[Daf] Sus' questions

[Sus in Denmark] amazing to see my old question pop up

[RenataS] sus' questions are up on my screen

[Daf] Sus, please, elaborate

[RenataS] i personally don't feel comfortable yet to be a 'teacher

[Karen Garcia] Comfort level is a factor not only about teaching but comfort with the technology

[Maria] I think that fact that teachers prefer feels more confortable with traditional teaching has nothing to do with the age or experience of the teacher at all....

[Maria] It is only a willing of improving...

[Daf] I agree, Maria

[RenataS] well, to be honest, here as a newbie i find it really hard to make friends with the newbies

[RenataS] i am totally teacher/moderator addicted

[RenataS] and bug daf or teres or maria all the time

[Karen Garcia] Risk taker!!!!

[Teresa] there's no 'bugging' us, renata. :-)

[RenataS] so i think setting up peer learning when everyone is new to technology is very hard

[Teresa] we are here to help gladly

[RenataS] having people invade your computer space

[vance] moderators like the feedback

[RenataS] in online like yahoo, can seem really threatening for firsttimers

[Daf] and the chit-chat too :-)

[RenataS] ah yes, but that is student teacher centred learning,k n

[RenataS] ot peer learning

[Sus in Denmark] I see a very interesting parallel discussion in the text chat

[RenataS] i mean you are all my teachres

[RenataS] parallel???

[RenataS] i was talking about sus' q

[RenataS] no3

[Daf] no, we are your colleagues, renata

[Daf] and we are also learning

[elderbob] 5 years from now, Professors will be studying the WAB sessions to figure out how to teach new teachers e-teaching...

[elderbob] this group is revolutionary.

[Sus in Denmark] ok, Renata, yes you are, so it is rather a supplementary mutivocal discussion.

[elderbob] And Daf many of your papers will become reference citations for future students.

[elderbob] And this applies to many others.

[Arnold] right, bob

[luisa] sharing is the word

[elderbob] Collaboration.

[Daf] scaffolding

[elderbob] Yes, thats a good concept.

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/index.html

[Maria] dealing with the question by Dat on the screen... I think there is no difference bt moderator and tutor at all...

[RenataS] hi elizabeth, you managed to wake up too  

What's in a name?

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/names.html

[RenataS] arnold did you miss moderator for the role of the teacher?

[Daf] oh it reminds me of Aiden's project

[Teresa] right daf

[RenataS] none suit me

[Karen Garcia] agent provocateur

[RenataS] i am an e-learner

[elderbob] This is quite a provocative list.

[Sus in Denmark] Gilly Salmon has some thought provoking ideas

[Daf] many of them but online priest

[elderbob] coach?

[elderbob] guide.

[Daf] nor e-police

[vance] online facilitator

[RenataS] does it not mean bob's ruminating?

[Sus in Denmark] Bob IS a an Elder-coach

[Daf] I think we accomplish different roles at different times

[vance] yep

[elderbob] Thanks sus...but I think many moderators are coaches tool

[ChrisJ] I like the idea of online facilitator or online conductor.

[elderbob] too

[Sus in Denmark] I agree with Daf on the different roles

[Teresa] online coordinator?

[ChrisJ] The conductor is co-ordinating the orchestra of students.

[Maria] sometimes as online priests....

[elderbob] I think several of these are potentially in place at a given time...

[Daf] except online e-police

[RenataS] oh e-police means stopping students going to sex sites

[elderbob] Devils advocate sounds like a tool to me instead of a name.

[RenataS] doesn't it?

[RenataS] during class time

[Daf] yes, Karen

[elderbob] I can see it as a skill

[RenataS] there's a lot of control here in japan

[RenataS] everyone has a password so you can follow exactly where they've gone

[RenataS] total e-police

[Karen Garcia] I like the provocaterur label..

[elderbob] looks like a bunch of epolice talking about this ladies mic.

[Maria] no e-police at all...

[Karen Garcia] because I am always pushing the envelope

[Ismail in Egypt] lol

[Karen Garcia] Personally pushing myself

[Daf] I tell my students that If i had wanted to be a police I would have signed up to the police academy

[RenataS] lol

[RenataS] it's built in in the administrative management of the computer room

[RenataS] here

[Arnold] sure

[RenataS] or so i understand, not actually managed to get access to the room here

[RenataS] the access itself is kafkaesque  

e-Teachers' Roles

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/roles.html

[RenataS] how about trouble shooter???

[Daf] berge mentions that one, Renata

[aiden] or e-traffic aid

[Teresa] glad you did, fiona

[Daf] I wonder why they do not include the role of designer

[RenataS] too creative a word to be pedagogically analyzed in academic language???

[RenataS] ;)

[Jacira] is there a list ofg these writers

[Daf] it is on the page, jacira

[Karen Garcia] we influence the evolution of language also

[RenataS] somebody mentioned chaos navigation last time

[Jacira] not on mine I have art of e teaching

[Daf] we are in roles and functions

[Arnold] right

[Daf] right, bob

[Arnold] right

[Teresa] designer is absolutely essential, i believe

[ChrisJ] Elder Bob has a good point that each year more is added to this table.

  [RenataS] very clear, bob

[RenataS] ty

[Daf] Elizabeth wants the floor, Arnold

[ChrisJ] It's interesting that the last once shown is from 1998 when this is 2004.

[Karen Garcia] we need to publish!!!!

[RenataS] lolkaren

[Teresa] and it's interesting to see how the concepts have evolved to include managerial and technical features, so important in the online world

[Karen Garcia] the planning before doing thing

[Karen Garcia] can we do without planning?

[Daf] I do not think so, Karen

[aiden] no, it would be difficult without any plan

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] yes--I meant how you see organizational as different from design?

[Sus in Denmark] planning and planning, for example,  getting togethter at the same time for a discussion takes some planning :-)

[Karen Garcia] hummm

[Karen Garcia] or luck

[Daf] objectives, methodology, activies, assessment

[aiden] ok, renata  

Salmon's Model: http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/salmon.html

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] Thanks, Arnold--this is a very interesting chart

[ChrisJ] EVen the way Arnold has set up his table shows design. He has links to number of references. This is not just organization of his session.

[Daf] right, Chris

[RenataS] is it an e book?

[RenataS] do you ever think about how all this technology is really exclusive of third world countries?

[RenataS] they dont even have elctricity sometimes...

[SusanEsn] i can't see the model, can you?

[aiden] oh, but they are catching up Renata

[Daf] yes

[Agata] yes

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] yes

[Sus in Denmark] renata, that depends, actually many third world people are also included! they skip the telephone age and jump directly into the satellite  internet age.

[aiden] yes, i can see the model

[RenataS] oh boy do i need hand holding

[ChrisJ] I went to your source page to see this chart. It's not in my alado screen.

[Daf] yes

[jchaupart] Renata, sure, third world countries are excluded for many technologies but, as seen during BaW, YM can bue quite universal

[Daf] use the green arrow to go back

[Agata] wow, this is impressive :-)

[Karen Garcia] It looks similar to group dynamics theory

[RenataS] agata i find it more confusing than anything

[aiden] I do agree with access and motivation

[RenataS] i can't navigate this page to read it

[Daf] no?

[RenataS] i prefer a simple low tech word document

[aiden] click start

[Daf] great interactive figure

[Jacira] can't get past step 1

[RenataS] oh, at last i find two

[ChrisJ] If you can't see the graphic click on "start" or open "source" in a separate page. the latter works better.

[RenataS] me neither

[RenataS] this is really hard to manipulate arnold

[Sus in Denmark] dear renata, it is good to remember that we do have differnt learning styles; some are linear and others think  in hypercomplex structures

[Daf] click on the dark blue

[Daf] and then you will get the top of the arrow for the next step

[Sus in Denmark] but I admit I lost my way now, were are we now?

[Daf] do the same

[RenataS] you have to actually click the text areas to be able to move on

[janeap] Yesterday I read a quote from a professor in London saying that in the future govts won't be able to afford f2f education at the university level. Students will have to elearn from home. This sounds a bit too Orwellian to me--are we moving in that direction?

[Daf] it is very much related

[RenataS] salmon's stuff is excluxive for techies

[Ismail in Egypt] yes it is

[Arnold] okay

[Sus in Denmark] renata - Webheads NEED to be  semi techies

[Daf] you will have it available

[elderbob] Its all being recorded I think

[Karen Garcia] how does this model relat to learning & teaching in a community like webheads?

[elderbob] I know I am recording it.

[Sus in Denmark] Poor little you! save the links and get back later to explore

[Daf] me too

[Daf] the webpage will be available

[elderbob] Ill be glad to supply a copy if noone else has it.

[Daf] it relates a lot to webheads, Arnold

[Jacira] how can I get back to salmon's page?

[RenataS] ty, have bookmarked it

[Arnold] thanks

[RenataS] sorry could you repeat the Q?

[Karen Garcia] how does this model relat to learning & teaching in a community like webheads?

[RenataS] it is like being in the staffroom as well as the student's room

[RenataS] you hear all the stuff

[RenataS] very hard to understand where the things needed to be learned are

[Teresa] i agree, eliz

[Maria] I think we have achived levels in WIA, which ay be unthinkable in other elearning environment...

[Sus in Denmark] I lost sight of which page we're looking at that makes Renata feel so lost  :-)) - would someone update me please?

[Maria] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/salmon.html

[Daf] and the roles change- distributed leadership

[Karen Garcia] The model (under the source link) is very interesting because it may apply to a not "standard" the experience since each user has a different experience...

[Sus in Denmark] leadership that is disttributed, changing and also negociated from time to time!

[RenataS] i'm not sure you're not looking at it with rose tinted glasses

[Daf] not every body participates

[RenataS] i think you have to have the nerves to carve out a place

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] That's true, Daf, and participation is required!

[Karen Garcia] which technology leads to best results withouth the overwhelming factor of too much stimulation?

[Daf] yes, I think that 20-25

[Karen Garcia] are limits set because of technology?

[Daf] I have had 36

[Karen Garcia] or best results?

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] Tere--the TESOL courses were well researched for optimal class size.

[Daf] :agrees with Teresa regarding SAlmon's graphic

[Teresa] thanks for clarifying, eliz.

e-Teaching Skills

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/skills.html

[aiden] karen, the platform depends on the objectives of the course or lesson

[Teresa] but that comes with the territory, chris, doesn't it?

[Chris] True. I was just happy to get back in.

[Teresa] people need to know that things don't always run on wheels

[Teresa] me too, chris  :-)

[Jacira] practice...practice

[Daf] absolutely

[Sus in Denmark] asome are early adapters and others need different encouragement  - but my belief and experience  me that the Webheads way we allow newcomers to observe from the periphery what others are doing IS useful and inspiring for so many people.

[Chris] Arnold, I think this list also applies to any teaching.

[Daf] right, Crhis

[Teresa] definitely

[Jacira] yes sus I agree

[aiden] i like the coined phrase 'pregnant pause' :-)

[Arnold] good

[Arnold] yes, aiden

[Daf] I like it too, Aiden  

The Concept of Weaving

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/weaving.html

[Daf] I like the term weaving

[elderbob] Very interesting quote.

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] Please restate the question, Arnold?

[Jacira] yes I agree

[Sus in Denmark] Weaving is very important, to be able to restructure and reflect on already mentioned tpiocs and views

[Sus in Denmark] topics

[Jacira] this is not just in elearning though

[Karen Garcia] For me highlighting would also work...

[elderbob] There is also a mechanical aspect to this...the ability to hyperlink back and forth to different parts of the class record.

[Chris] I'm one of those listeners that Elizabeth is referring to though I'll interject questions or comments occasionally.

[Chris] I like her suggestion that a dinner conversation is similar to this weaving.

[elderbob] I also think the use of Wiki is somewhat similar.

Selection of Web Tools

[Arnold] http://home.planet.nl/~mhren000/baw_pres_am/tools.html

[aiden] synthesizing also makes stronger bonding among members

[Karen Garcia] For me, highlighting would help in the weaving

[aiden] yes, karen you weave and bond

[aiden] bind

[elderbob] I am reminded of an old saw about one mans junk is another mans art...

[Karen Garcia] Aha!

[Elizabeth Hanson-Smith] Community Language Learning

[elderbob] who gets to determine what is a tool and what is not a tool...

[aiden] yeah, that's true Bob

[FionaL]  weaving and reviewing  using new technologies is essential for newbies like me,

[elderbob] Isnt it the artists lot to determine how he uses the tool to communicate.

[Daf] for all of us, fiona :-)

[aiden] i agree, bob

[Karen Garcia] don't you need to master tools before you create a work of art?

[Daf] right, Karen

[Jacira] would it depend on the techn. levels of the students

[Karen Garcia] sorry.... this is a better color...

[elderbob] Who determines what mastery is....

[Chris] A painter is always learning new ways to use his tools.

[elderbob] When picasso picks up a brush, who determines whether the way he uses it is appropriate or not.

[elderbob] Much of art is just experimental..

[elderbob] and much is experiential.

[FionaL] relating to langauge teaching,

[luisa] i agree

[Karen Garcia] we are getting into issues of status and class...no?

[Arnold] right

[Daf] agree with you, Sus

[Chris] Tools in teaching change as do modes of painting.

[FionaL] I find some students end up spending more time on their presentation than on langauge content,

[elderbob] In the case of electronic tools, as soon as you master it, there will be a new version to learn and master again...

[Arnold] right

[luisa] but we must experiment too

[Sus in Denmark] I enjoy the experimental trajectory!

[Teresa] absolutely, bob

[Teresa] or another similar tool to explore!

[elderbob] I think that may in part be a reason for the boom in adult education...

[Teresa] it's hard to keep up iwth many of these tools

[Daf] it happens in all professions, there are new trends, new discoveries, new virus to attack

[elderbob] the old tools aren't the same as the new tools.

[Sus in Denmark] but sometimes even the simples tool can be very creative in the hands of the artist

[Sus in Denmark] just look at Arnolds minimalist webpcage design

[Teresa] just focus on a couple and explore them deeper?

[luisa] and the artists are rare

[aiden] that is so true, sus

[elderbob] YOu have given us a great deal to think about and let sink in....

[Chris] In general the same principles apply to using the tools though new principles are added from time to time.

[elderbob] It was very interesting.

[Sus in Denmark] copycats can also learn how to learn in new ways

Post Session Comments

[Sus in Denmark] :claps with enthusiasm

[Arnold] thanks

[elderbob] also clapping.

[aiden] are we leaving , can we go on?

[Maria] thanks for all Arnold

[Karen Garcia] I liked the scope of the topic.... enough of a challenge

[FionaL] thank you and bye

[Arnold] thank and goodbye to all

[elderbob] Great session, all.

[Sus in Denmark] this was very inspiring Arnold

[aiden] more, more, more

[luisa] :thanks to Arnold

[Chris] Thanks, Arnold!

[Jacira] thanks Arnold

[Ismail in Egypt] Thanks Arnold

[aiden] i agree

[Chris] Thanks, Daf, Tere, and other BAW moderators for setting this up.

[Agata] thank you, Arnold

[elderbob] Teresa, that sounds like an artist discovering a new type of brush...you are right.

[SusanEsn] thanks Arnold, very interesting!

[Karen Garcia] YES thanks to the moderators and Arnold

[Ismail in Egypt] I am eager to listen to this session again in the your archieve since I lost most of it, because of sound problems

[Daf] thanks Arnold :-)

[elderbob] Daf, will you be posting the archive.

[Daf] yes, bob

[elderbob] kewl.

[Ismail in Egypt] Thanks Ter, Sus, Maria, and Daf :-)

[elderbob] I really enjoyed it.

[Teresa] thanks for being with us, ismail

[Karen Garcia] please keep me posted arnold...

[SusanEsn] thanks Daf,Sus, Teresa, & Maria

[luisa] bye, everybody

[elderbob] BYe all.

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