Hi! Week 1
7. NETMEETING
Hi!
Since there is recent talk about
learning new things, would anyone be interested in
helping out with a Netmeeting test?
I've been using other CMC tools and
had refused
to
try Netmmeeting. I will now *have to use it
and
actually look forward to doing so cause I
was
a bit disappointed with some of the other tools
I'd
been using.
Is anyone from you 'old-hands'
interested?
Smiles to all
Sophie
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Sophie,
I am behind a firewall and I cannot
use Netmeeting. I have used it in the past,
though,
and the feature I like best is the whiteboard. The voice feature is not
very
stable. I use Yahoo Messenger and it has worked fine most of the time. YM
has
another advantage over Netmeeting, if you set the configuration, your
scripts
are automatically saved, which is great when you are dealing with 3 or
more
chat grops at the same time (with the free services you can have up to 5
conference
windows open at the same time, not to mention that you can keep as
many
private chats as you can manage, going on at the same time).
Good luck,
Dafne
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Hi,
Sophie,
I tried Netmeeting once at least 5
years ago at a conference. It seemed
to have some very positive possibilities even then. I'd love to try it again if
you practice at a time when I'm available.
Chris Jones
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I
should be very interested in using Netmeeting as well, Sophie. If anybody
else
is interested I am open to any experimentation with any kind of
software.
I particularly like Yahoo! Messenger and MSN Messenger. I use ICQ
as
well. So if anybody would like to use these as well here are my
particulars
for adding me:
Yahoo! Messenger: damkerhou
MSN Messenger: damker@o...
ICQ: 156854875
Looking forward to hearing from you,
Sophie and any other colleague have a very Happy
New Year with health and prosperity.
Cheers
Damian.
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Dafne
the Netmeeting website has some advice
on
how to use Netmeeting from behing firewalls.
Sophie
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Is
it true that Netmeeting is part of Windows 2002 system?
I'll
look forward to read your reported experiences, screendumps and
thoughts
about Netmeeting. Why use it instead of Yahoo messenger (or iVisit), which
useful features do you enjoy in particular, what advantages and
backdraws
can you point at etc
Sus
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Dear
Webheads,
Regarding this NetMeeting affair, I
think I should point out that it is more useful
if used in conjunction with the MSN Messenger rather than by itself.
Using
the MSN Messenger you can have chat, voice, video and other functions
like
file transfer and the like. When you want to have voice contact you can
evoke
NetMeeting. I think what all participants of the "cyber
rendezvous"could add each other to our MSN Messengers and in this way
implement the meeting. Using your present
email you can get a net.passport from Microsoft
Net.Passport
accessing the following url: http://www.passport.net/
which will cause your local Microsoft
Net.Passport site pop-up from where you will
be
able to get a passport. Now for the MSN Messenger you can download it
from
http://messenger.microsoft.com,
which again will cause your local Microsoft
site to pop-up. Then you download the software, save it on you
hdd,
install it and then you add the rest of us by using our emails which
have
been used to get the net.Passport. Simple...ha?
Another
option could be the Yahoo! Messenger, which you can download from
http://messenger.yahoo.com/.
Once you install it go to http://www.yahoo.com
and look for "Sign up". This
will take you to an intermediate page with some
info,
where you have to press "sign up" again to go to the following page
http://edit.yahoo.com/config/eval_register?.src=www&.done=http://www.yahoo.com
, where you can fill in your particulars in order to get a yahoo id, which
will
help you access all their services. With a little of exploring it is
not
very difficult to figure out how to use the Yahoo messenger.
And a final and option is the ICQ
software which I find a bit more complicated
and I rather refrain from using so far. If you install MSN
Messenger
you can ad me using my email damker@o...
. For the Yahoo! Messenger
you can use my Yahoo! id: damkerhou or my email address.
Sorry for the voluble character of
this message. I am not usually so talkative.
Thanks for your patience.
Cheers
Damian.
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Hi
all Netmeeting people!
So we will miss Michael and probably
catch up with Chris at somepoint? Otherwise Me
(Sophie), Damian, Rita and Aiden will be meeting at
1:00
GMT of Saturday 11 January.
As Chris was asking what things need
to be done beforehand. here are some basic stuff:
you need to install Netmeeting! this
is very easy from their website or if you have a recent version of Windows i.e.
Windows 2000 Netmeeting is already on your computer. You simply need to activate/install
it by clicking on it. You'll probably find it under
Accessories
in Communication Tools from your Startup window.
To
place a call there are are 3 basic ways. IP address, e-mail address or computer
name. The easiest for us would be using our e-mail addresses.
If anyone finds this diffcicult then
there is the easier version that Damian
menitoned i.e. linking to netmeeting from your MSN messenger if you have one.
From your MSN messenger window go into
More and click on start Netmeeting. It will require a contact and this means
hotmail e-mail addresses. Mine is cytea@h...
Only one of us can be the host of the
meeting. The others then call the
host who accepts them in the meeting. So use as your contact:cytea@h...
Just in case one of us is in trouble
and needs help, I would recommend
having ICQ open. Unlike Damian I find it very straightforward and easy to use.
My ICQ number is 149529652.
Hope all goes well. If anything we
will be taking the first steps in Netmeeting and will end up more knowledgeable
than before : )
Hope to see you all there.
Smiles
Sophie
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Hi,
Sophie,
Thanks for the info. on installing
NetMeeting. It was indeed under Accessories in Communication Tools. Since I have
Windows 98, I checked to see if I needed an update after I installed it. However,
I have version 3.01, and it appears to be up-to-date.
Do
I understand correctly that I need to click on the little telephone and put in
your hotmail address after "To:"? I don't have MSN messenger or ICQ
installed on my computer and haven't used them before. If I get stuck, I'll
check to see if any of you are on Yahoo
Messenger.
Also, 1 p.m GMT is 6 a.m. my time. :-(
I'll try to be up then and participate for a while before I have to get ready
for work.
Chris Jones
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Hi,
WIA!
It was a nice try but, speaking for
myself, quite unsuccessful in terms of audio
both at Netmeeting and Yahoo Messenger. The text chat went great in both
platforms.
I started out around 12:30 GMT with
Damian in NM. We did get to hear each other though
with a lot of echo and interference. Damian commented that it soundedlike "we
were in the Grand Canyon with endless echoes"! At least it was a first timer for me, which is always
something to remember either positively or negatively.
I must say I was not thrilled about NM, but that will not keep me
away
from other attempts. I've learned that during thise past year with WIA!
Things didn't go well for me at YM,
either. I could hear Rita, Chris Jones and Yaodong,
but my voice never came through. I
was using my built-in mic, not the webcam mic, as I've always done in the
past.
Next time I will try it with the webcam on to see if things change or
not. If they do, I'll have to try and
figure out why Damian and I heard each other
in NM but then nobody heard me in YM!
Sophie, sorry to have declined your NM
invitation, but I had to leave!
Just wanted to give you my first
somewhat 'frustrated' impressions. I must admit,
though, that it is good when things do not run well, because we need to
experience
the good and the bad. No doubt it would be great if everything went
well
all the time, but that wouldn't give us a realistic picture! And it
wouldn't
prepare us for technical glitches at a presentation or with students,
for
example.
Enough philosophy! Have a great day,
everyone! See some of you at TI tomorrow!
Teresa
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Hello,Sophie,
I am so glad our netmeeting was such a
success though my machine crashed when
i was about to show you my photo album. I rebooted only to
find
you had logged off.
Hope we can have another try next
time.
Have a good day!
Yaodong
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Hi
all WIA people,
Like Teresa, I decided to give
netmeeting a try today, so I downloaded it and
installed it in my Virtual PC Windows 98 system partition (still on the
mac
Powerbook) . No problem there, it opened and looked inviting to me. Itested the
built in microphone and felkt ready to go. The timing was
perfect,
just ten munites after startup of the given hour.
Next step was to look for possible
playmates in Tapped In (only BJ was there), and
then Yahoo Messenger (YMS). I called on Dafne (Spain) who
invited
me to join her chat meeting, and found Damian (Greece), Yaodong
(China),
Rita (Argentina) - and maybe also Tere (Portugal) - I'm not sure:-) I did not
get to hear nor to speak, as we advanced to see how to manage
the
movement towards Netmeeting. Yaodong was our guide and asked for our
Hotmail
accounts so he could invite us, but after a while, my computer
began
to act up and freeze; and after five reboots in vain, I gave up for this time.
I met Daf later, she also had had some
trouble. I did not even get to text chat in NM.
But at least now I've got the stuff installed and ready for
another
time. So at least I was happy to know from this mail list that Tere
and
Damian had managed some kind of connectedness.
Like you, Tere, I do feel that these
almost failures should not scare us away from
trying the experiment again some other time.
Sus
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Hi
Sophie,
I did not see you today online. Do you
have a Yahoo id, it works for most of us
I believe, and is usually how we find help from one of the regulars. When
we're
are exploring a parallel meeting universe :-)
Unfortunately, my somewhat tricky
computer could not make any MSN connection and
not the Netmeeting, either. Hope to get in touch with you sooner or
later,
anyway.
Thanks for the initiative, and do
remember that nearly no matter how we schedule a
session in this global community, some will find it terribly
early,
and others extremely late in the night - that is the very nature of
time
zone differences!
Yours, Sus (in Denmark)
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Sophie,
Netmeeting does not accept an email
address for contact. There should be the IP address
I gather.
Cheers
Damian.
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Dear
Webheads,
This was a great step we took today in
synchronous communication. Of course
there
were many glitches, but at least I was able to exchange a few audio
messages
with a few of you and add some to my Yahoo! Messenger, MSN Messenger
and
ICQ.
I was mostly successful in having a
few exchanges with Teresa, if I remember
correctly,
as well as with Rita, but later I lost her. Maybe she was dealing
with
many open windows and audio and she was rushed off her feet or rather her
fingers?
I had a lot of difficulty
communicating with Don from China, although we were successful
in exchanging keyboard messages, audio, chat and whiteboard
messages.
I reckon there must have been some connection problem with his
microphone,
as there were many creaking and humming noises coming through. It
is
better not to check the box for the talk button for continuous speech, as
when
we are not talking all background noises are transmitted, typing that is,
doors
opening and shutting and the like. I made this mistake very often and
thanks
for Teresa (?) or Rita (?) for pointing it out. Generally, I think the
performance of Yahoo! was not that bad.
However, the NetMeeting was a general
disappointment. I think it is not possible
to contact somebody via NM using the email address. One has to feed in
the
IP address rather. The IP address is some number which is either permanent
given
to the subscriber by the I(nternet) P(rovider) [you have to pay extra for
this],
or a temporary one which is always different and it is provided every
time
you log into the Net. You can use the NetMeeting with somebody you are
online
evoking it by means of the MSN Messenger. If you want to call somebody
without
using the MSN Messenger you have to know the "contactee's" IP
(temporary or not) address, send it
via email or chat and then the they will be able
to feed it into the NM program. Here's how you find what your IP address
is
if you don't have a steady one: go to "Start" and then click on "run",
in the dialogue
box that opens type the command: winipcfg and press OK. A window
will
open where you will see "Address IP" or something in your own language.
I am thinking of going online again
tomorrow, Sunday 12 at 20:00 GMT (actually I
shall log in a bit earlier to prepare). If anyone wishes I shall only be too
delighted
to experiment again. In order to avoid confusion with all of us
hasting
to talk we might follow a system of turns, we might talk in rotation.
This
will avoid frustration and discomfort I suppose. Turns do not have to be
so long winded I guess. Each might
talk for a minute, give or take a few seconds, so
that everybody may have a chance to say something. If one does not
wish
to talk they can just say "next" and the next in turn will start
talking.
Chat contributions should be focused
otherwise chat turns into something we call "pigadakia"
in Greece. Sophie may know this, meaning people in threes or
fours talking possibly about the same
thing but ignoring the other groups of speakers. We
could keep our chat focused by sticking to a topic. There might be
some
agenda proposed at the beginning of the discussion.
Well, I just wanted to contribute
these thoughts and I hope they turn out to be
of
help.
Please forgive me for this too long
message, but I was so enthusiastic and happy
I contacted all of you today that it seems I am not in a position to
restrain
myself.
Well, see you tomorrow (hopefully).
Have
a good day or night and don't worry, be happy.
Cheers.
Damian.
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Hello,Damian
and other Webheads friends,
Thanks for the feedback and your
enthusiasm.I was impressed by our online
interactions yesterday and was happy to meet so many new
friends.
I was especially happy that netmeeting
with Sophia turned out to be a great
success. We both could hear clearly when we spoke and we tried
sending
files (photos),whiteboard and share program.I could see her
desktop
and she saw what i was displaying for her on my desktop.It was
a
pity that suddenly my computer crashed/froze becaue I had opened too
many windows at the same time.
Minutes before my successful
connection with Sophie via NM,I did connected
with Damian and we could exchange keyboard messages.He must
have
problems with his mic or configurations were not properly worked
out.
But I have noted down his IP and will contact him again when I
catch
him online as he is on my MSN messenger list.
I will be in my language lab this
evening (12 GMT)where I can use my
webcam. Let us try using netmeeting
again then---another step forward.^o^
Cheers for netmeeting! Our enthusiasm
and persistence will prevail.
Stay happy,everyone.
yaodong ( Don from China)
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Hi
all
Our netmeeting was adventurous yes but
really
interesting.
Somehow my first efforts to contact
Teresa failed and she later had to go. Chris
joined and downloaded everything but then hurried off
to his meeting.
Emma and I tried to Netmeet but I
think she
had
no audio installed so we had problems there.
Finally me and Yaodong had a great
Netmeeting.
I
was sending video to Yaodong and we both
communicated
via audio and text. The audio wasn't
great
at times but was OK. (My best audio until nows from Paltalk).
Yaodong and I also tried the
whiteboard but
what
was really great was the desktop sharing.
It
was fascinating. Yaodong even showed me a powerpoint presentation. Loved
it!
I definitely will be trying it again.
Sophie