I really do not know what GG's problem is. I personally believe that he does have a couple of things wrong with him. The sensitivity I saw in his eyes that night, the hurting, the pain, the confusion, the sadness, the joy, the drugs, the laughter - was all evident to me. I really do not know what to say except I truly do not believe that he is all that dumb. Disturbed? That is a possibility. How can he do what he does and not have it affect him? It affects him. Why is he trying to get back at the world in this way - perhaps it is the only way he knows. Can it really be true that teasing and harassment he had seen as a child has taken an effect on him that he can release in only this form? Hey, I am no Dr. Joyce Brothers, this is merely an observation with a little forsight. From the interview in which you are about to read perhaps you will see why he is who he is. I have not yet decided. After he describes his childhood and life, maybe you can see things from his point of view. Maybe not. I still think that the power of determination and hope can generally carry people out of a bad situation. It has carried many out of near-death experiences, hunger, imprisonment, pain, famine and destruction. I still think that GG could have prevented some of the hardship that he underwent. Then again, perhaps he couldn't. You decide. I do not want to vote, I just merely want to present the facts
One final note - the reason for the lengthy delay from the time of the interview was recorded and its publication now is because of the letter I recieved from Mr. Allin. I am NOT publishing it because he is in jail. I learned that fact about 72 hours before this was sent to the editor. If you see this elsewhere do not be surprised. I am NOT trying to be a star, and will certainly get nothing out of this. It seems to me that GG is now becoming somewhat of an Underground cult figure. I am not here to support him, nor to destroy him. If any of the facts within this article can be disputed with good evidence please write to me in care of CHAIRS MISSING. I have nothing for trade, nothing for release; but am more than willing to talk with anyone as long as it's relevant.
What I am doing is presenting the last interview that GG ALLIN did in his native New Hampshire, as well as presenting some information that has not really been discussed with the press before by Mr. Allin. Of all the stories I have heard of him smashing recording devices and hurting the press, I feel more than damn lucky to have had such a pleasant conversation with him. He also asked me what the fuck I was doing in New Hampshire at the time and I told him I had NO FUCKING IDEA. One year later, I still have NO FUCKING IDEA.
I am not saying that GG had the opportunity to get out of the situation he was in, but he did have the opportunity not to make some as well. Most people have that type of opportunity (within reason, of course - it's not like the Jews had an opportunity to get out of the situation they were in in Germany when Hitler decided that they were the inferior race).
I wish GG all the best in all his endeavors and thank him for taking the time to meet and talk with me. As I told him that night, he is just one of those kind of people that you would like to buy a drink in a bar and have him tell you his life story. And GG certainly has an interesting one at that.
KARRIE MOFO, OCTOBER 22, 1989
MANCHESTER, NEW HAMPSHIRE
THANKS: EILEEN PENDAGAST, ELAINA PETRUCCI, MACLCOM TENT, SCOTT MUNROE, the girls from THIRD STREET, LISA CARVER, RAY GRIMARD, KATHY and CHRIS at INNER LIGHT RECORDS, ERIC and GG ALLIN.
GG ALLIN: (coughing) Hey, believe it or not, this is the only place I come. I...the only place I can get in except for the new club that opened up down here (refering to Decadence). I can't get into any other clubs in town. I can't get into any other place in town. I can't get in the one on South Willow Street, this is the only place I can get in.
KARRIE: Oh, because I came in here last night for dinner and I asked two employees if they knew you, and they said they didn't.
GG: Really? Wow! (surprised) Well, they probably didn't want to know me.
K: Maybe they just don't want to admit it. Maybe they...
GG: (interrupting) I come in here quite a bit. There's really, ya know, it's the only club that you can really come in and just sorta... (shrugs shoulders) All sorta working people and old people and shit, and it doesn't even matter.
K: Ya know it was funny Saturday, when I got your letter, because my friends were [in] the mall and they saw you in the leather shop. So if you saw a bunch of girls looking at you, they were my friends.
GG: Oh, alright.
K: They were -
GG: (interrupting) Yeah, I was looking at motorcycle pants, and I could not find them anywhere.
K: But, it was kind of funny. After I got your letter, and I told them all about you, and explained what you do, they had a fit when they saw you, because they are really ignorant to a lot of new music and some other things, and they were really suprised to see you after just hearing about you.
(GG laughs)
K: So, your early days with the Jabbers - where are they now? Who knows?
GG: I haven't seen...I saw Al at the Lauden Motorcycle Races - he's the only one I see - they're, ah...I don't know. (sigh)
K: What was the deal with the "new wave" look? The 1980's Rock 'N' Roll?
GG: It really wasn't a new wave look. I mean that was us 10 or 12 years ago, cripe. I don't know, I was a fucking kid then...I was married.
K: And how old are you now?
GG: Oh, God...30. (laughs)
K: 30?
GG: Close to it. I guess you can say almost.
K: Almost? When is your birthday? What month?
GG: August.
K: So you are 29.
(So he whips out this New Hampshire drivers liscense, a picture of him balding with heavy black eyeliner on.)
GG: So, I mean that was, that was like, uh, basically people hated us back then, but I mean...
K: And they hate you now?
GG: And they hate us more now, and we really haven't changed that much - we're the same. I just went through a lot of different people, a lot of different players. I've matured.
K: Hard to get/keep a band?
GG: I matured musically, not - maybe not - some people may not see it that way but, uh, I don't know, I think that I have become more myself now. Whereas back then, [it] was like a band, seeing everybody is right. Ya know, now I am doing all the writing - it's my band, I am doing what I want to do.
K: Right.
GG: Back then it was like, ya know, fuckin'...
K: Whatever?
GG: You take what you can get because nobody's...ya gotta look, look at New Hampshire now, ya gotta look at it 10 or 12 years ago. I mean there was nothing!
K: That is very true!!
GG: Absolutely nothing at all.
K: Moving on. Your childhood, what religion were you raised?
GG: Catholic.
K: Are you still now?
GG: Oh, no, no, no.
K: What is your attitude, FUCK religion?
GG: I am not religious at all, I dabble into...
K: Do you believe in God?
GG: No, not really. I believe, I believe in a little bit of Satanism. I sorta read that Bible and kinda dabble into a bit of that. I am just disillusioned by it.
K: So, OK, you are moving to Chicago on the 20th (of September, 1988).
GG: Yeah. I gotta get outta here. It's just costing me too much money.
K: Why didn't you go to New York?
GG: I would, but I can't afford it. I'd rather live in New York. I just can't afford it. I have a free...
K: When you were in New York, I guess after you got out of prison in New Jersey. You were in New York, supposedly with no money in your pocket.
GG: 65 cents.
K: 65 cents? OK, so, if you got money, would you want to go to Chicago then?
GG: How was I gonna get there?
K: After you got some money from Gerard [Cosloy]? (refering to Homestead Records)
GG: I had no way to get money. I had to sell albums. Plus I have a place to stay there, free room and board (refering to Chicago). Otherwise, I mean, I would have gone anywhere for free room and board, but ya know I figure, Chicago, free room and board. Ya know - Hey!!
K: So that is why you are going to Chicago?
GG: And you know, I just, I know some people there, so I figure I gotta get out of the situation I'm in now. I don't like it here. (God I can relate GG!!) I figure I could move to New York, but I don't really have the money to, but I could move to Chicago. I gotta band there. I gotta place to stay. The way I look at it is I'll be touring all winter - it's like middle ground. It's a good home base. If I want to go to the West Coast, I can be there. If I wanna come to the East Coast, I can go there 'cause I plan on coming back. I'm gonna play NY in November (refering to the November 4th Lismar Lounge gig - will discuss later in article). I'm gonna play San Francisco in November [19th at the Covered Wagon Saloon] - so it's, to me, it seems like a pretty good medium.
K: A good half way point.
GG: I can go any place I want, if I want to go to Texas, or Minneapolis.
K: Who are you?
GG: Who am I? You're looking at him.
K: That's it? What I see...is that all I get?
GG: That's all there is.
K: OK.
GG: That's it. I don't know. This is me - all the time. 24 hours a day, 24 hours - in stereo.
K: I didn't think you were this funny.
GG: I'm not really. I can be sometimes.
K: I can't believe it. Can you straighten yourself out before you die? Do you want to?
GG: I don't know. I haven't really thought about it.
K: Taking things as they come?
GG: I'm just doing what I want to do, taking one day at a time.
K: That's good.
GG: I haven't really thought really that much far ahead, as I'm kinda into what I'm into.
K: Why, why so self destructive? I can't see now 'cause you are wearing your jacket, but I heard about your tatoos: on your chest "Die GG."
GG: They're all there. I don't know, I just... (trails off)
K: What? Did them as a kid?
GG: Yeah, well, I figured I would do them. I figured I wanted to put those on my arms 'cause then people would think the guy is for real, because nobody's gonna put that shit on his arms. (taking a cigarette)
K: GG, have a cigarette.
GG: (smiling) I will - 'cause nobody's gonna put that on their arm (noticable New Hampshire accent taken its toll on the word 'arm', lighting a Benson and Hedges Delux Ultra Light 100) if they are not really into it. And as far as being self destructive, it's like after I got to a certain point of my life, I didn't care if I lived or died anyway. So, it's like you take a chance, take a gamble.
K: Do you know what you are doing, though?
GG: Not always. I've taken a lot of chances. But, I haven't really cared. If somebody puts something in front of me - I'll do it. I don't care. Fuck it. If I die, I die and I still think about that shit.
K: Do you have anybody in your life? Do you feel as though you have anybody in your life that you care about or that cares about you?
GG: Uh, no. I think...absolutely...pretty...no, not really. I can't think of anybody. No.
K: What are your comments about the PMRC?
GG: Hmmm, I don't know. That's kinda like, I mean, I don't know. I'm not into it absolutely - that's kinda been burried now. I don't know, it's kinda been beaten over the head with a hatchet. I mean they're going after bands like W.A.S.P. and shit like that. They're not going to bother with somebody like me, ya know.
K: They bothered with Jello Biafra.
GG: Yeah, I don't know. They just...either I'm not big enough...
K: Or maybe because he has a bigger following, perhaps, you think?
GG: Could be. You know, could be that I'm not big enough which, you know, wouldn't matter anyway. I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doin.
K: That's right.
GG: It wouldn't be the first time that somebody didn't like what I was doing. I don't give a shit.
K: Your lyrics, are they an exorcism for you?
GG: Pretty much just life, real life, what I do, you know. If you listen to the new album or actually, the last 2 albums, 3 albums that I have done, especially the last album. It was pretty much a story of my last winter here in Manchester. The whole album, top to bottom, is my life in the last 6 to 8 months, so it was right on...
K: Target.
GG: Whoa, it was great!! I'm really proud of that album. It's my favorite album.
K: That's good. Good.
GG: It's a great album.
K: So what do you think of 1977, about the explosion of the Sex Pistols and punk in general in America? What do you think about that?
GG: I thought it was good, good for the time, but before that I was listening to the [New York] Dolls and Wayne County and all that shit. The Ramones, before they were even big and I liked a lot of that music, but I was playing a lot of that stuff. When I went to high school I used to dress like a woman in high school.
K: After David Johanson?
GG: Yeah. I was more into Wayne County. I was just more into being different and the kids in my high school hated me, so I figured fuck it, you know?
K: I know!! What about junior high?
GG: I never fit in in high school. Never, ever, ever in my life.
K: Don't feel sad; neither did I. I really think that there are a lot of people that didn't.
GG: And when I was in the 3rd grade I had problems. I was sick and I went through a lot of shit.
K: What? What happened?
GG: I was just sick all the time. I had this problem...I had a lot of problems and, ya know, parental problems with myself and I was just kinda out by myself when other kids were playing.
K: So you were sorta a loner?
GG: Yeah, I've always been a loner.
(At this point, I could not help but laugh and think of the line in "Pee-Wee's Big Adventure" when he says he was always a loner.)
K: That is the only way to be, I think.
GG: I still am. I still am.
K: So am I. Do you have any medical problems with, um, your...since you take Ex-Lax frequently before gigs.
GG: Well, I'll tell ya...
K: Any intestinal problems?
GG: I'll tell ya, for the last 3 or 4 years I have been occasionally shitting blood. (starts to laugh)
K: Did you ever get it checked out?
GG: No, (still laughing) but people tell me I should. I don't. I stop drinking for a while and then it kinda goes away and then...it's always there though. I was throwing up blood. I went for a couple of years pissing on myself and plastic sheets. I was waking up fucking totally out of control. I mean, I was drinking - I'm serious - two 5th's, at least, everyday. And this girl I was living with, [I] ended up beating her and putting her in the hospital a few times, and I got thrown out of there...it was a real bad scene. I mean, I had fucking bottles...I saved all the bottles just to see how much I could drink...fucking... (makes a motion with his hand)
K: A shit load?
GG: Uh, (makes a motion like a large amount) undescribable! You couldn't even walk in my room.
K: I believe it. Are you gonna pay your mother back the $1000?
GG: (laughs) That seems like a pretty typical question these days. Probably not.
K: Do you owe her a lot of money now?
GG: I owe everybody. I gotta go to court tomorrow.
K: Where?
GG: Downtown. 9:00AM. Disorderly conduct, obscene and indecent exposure and criminal tresspass. (says it with smile)
K: When did you get these [charges]?
GG: I got them at the beginning of the summer and I pleaded not guilty to all these charges.
K: Were you guilty? Of course you were.
GG: (with a big smile) Yeah, but, you know, I'm trying to work around that, to get...so, to get out, but I pleaded not guilty and I called the court 'cause I was playing, and I kept putting it off all summer, and now I'm going to Chicago and I was going to say FUCK IT and not go to court, but I figure, well, if I ever come back then they're gonna get me. So, I'm not gonna pay them tomorrow. Fuck it, I am just going to leave, owing everybody money.
K: That's probably true. What do you want out of life?
GG: I want a good time. Drink, play music, get laid.
K: Your family background. Want to tell me a little about your parents, your ex-wife? I understand that you have a four year old daughter. Is that correct?
GG: Two.
K: Two year old daughter.
GG: That wasn't from my wife.
K: What about your ex-wife, do you see here?
GG: I haven't seen her in a few years, no. She doesn't like to associate with me too much.
K: Wonder why?
GG: Beats me. (smiles)
K: I don't know. What about your parents? You said you had earlier problems with them.
GG: Uh, well, which ones? (laughs)
K: What do you mean which ones?
GG: I've got six.
K: Six parents?
GG: Yeah.
K: What? Were you adopted, or...
GG: No. I've got like six fathers and six mothers. It all stems way, way back. I had two parents, they divorced, they remarried, they divorced, they remarried, and my mother just got a divorce. She's remarried. Six or seven I forget. I lose track.
K: Do you keep in touch with any of them?
GG: No, not really. My brother does, but I don't.
K: Your brother Merle, right?
GG: Yeah.
K: How many sibilings do you have?
GG: One brother and one half sister, and probably some more halves in there somewhere...
K: Along the line...
GG: Yeah, but I don't know where they are. I never even met my half sister. I do not even know where the fuck she is. (chuckles)
K: Your comments on all of the incidents with THE MORTON DOWNEY SHOW.
GG: That was fun, actually.
K: I don't blame you. I tell ya, I was rooting for you. I was like, good.
GG: It was really funny because we went down there and they called us up, I thought. I didn't have any idea that we were gonna do the show. Gerard Cosloy called us up from the record company and said they wanted us on THE MORTON DOWNEY SHOW. I said, great, we're touring anyways. So, we get n the van, 7 or 8 of us, three cases of beer, a bottle of Jim Beam. Before we got out of Massachusetts, it was gone. So we get to the fucking...we get to the Hilton and, they said NOOOOOOOOO! I mean, the Hilton, I'm fucking walking in a place Phil Donahue would stay and I['m] walking in with a bottle in one hand, staggering in (demonstrating). I mean all of us were pretty ragged, none of us had bathed or showered in like weeks, my clothes were black.
K: I heard about that, uh, you had a really bad stench apparently.
GG: Oh, and they guy wouldn't let us [stay]. He said, absolutely not. I pulled the phone out of the wall 'cause I was drunk. I didn't like the room anyway - it was too small. They gave us one bed for eight people. I said we need at least two double rooms. So they threw us out and I called the producer of THE MORTON DOWNEY SHOW. I said, look, you know, we need a room, we need a lot of room. So she said OK and we'll go to work on it right now, we'll get you a room. So we get to the other room, and I got in a fight with my brother's girlfriend...
K: Mishi?
GG: Yeah. I ended up hitting her, then he got pissed at me 'cause I hit her and they're off together, and she's crying.
K: Do you often take all of your violence out on women?
GG: She was just being an asshole that night. And when I'm in the wrong mood, people just don't want to cross me too much. Um, but, [I] ended up kicking the door in because he had the key, and he was out somewhere doing something with her. And after I kicked the door in, I just started spray painting the walls and then we took we took the Bible and put it in the toilet, puked on it...
K: Why, was there some type of meaning in it?
GG: Well, it was revenge on THE MORTON DOWNEY SHOW for putting us in such lousy hotel accommodations.
K: Why, why the Bible...it was there?
GG: Fuck it, it was there, you know, it was there I figured, let's do it.
K: What's your comments on Homestead Records?
GG: I hope the fuck they pay me soon. No, actually, they've been OK I guess. I've had some pretty good spats with them.
K: How did you get hooked up with them in the first place?
GG: They called me. I didn't even approach them. I hadn't even really know[n] who they are. Gerard had been at my Cat Club show. I was already signed to Sub-Core Records, at the time. After I did an interview with him for Conflict, he called me up. I had already signed the contract with Sub-Core. Then he asked me if I wanted to sign with Homestead. I said fuck, I shouldn't have signed my contracts. So, I made a bunch of calls to people, and I said you know what is the best deal, because at the same time I was auditioning for Richie (unknown) band, he's with the Plasmatics, and you know I had these three fucking things that I could do, everybody said that I should do the Homestead thing. So, in order to get out of the deal with Sub-Core, I had to do another contract with thme saying that after the Homestead deal was over, I would go with Sub-Core, which is good because Combat Records just bought Sub-Core. So when I'm done with Homestead, I'm on Combat. But, uh, Gerard's been, uh...
K: But when does the contract run out?
GG: Three albums or I think 1992, or something. But I don't know how it's gonna work because I have already done two albums. I mean I'll probably do an album in another year or so, so I'm hoping that he is gonna let me go after that album and hold me until 1992, 'cause I don't want to fucking
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rather be playing and recording, and I don't play that much , so I got to keep recording to just get it out of me.
K: What's your comments on...what about The Anthrax? Ever been to Norwalk?
GG: I've heard about it, but I've never been there.
K: Well, it seems like everytime there is a band that can't play, or are fucking with their instruments, people tend to yell, "Hey, why don't you play 'Drink Fight & Fuck'" and it's a classic.
GG: It is a classic. A lot of bands play that song.
K: Good tune, oh, yeah it gets covered a lot. What do you feel about that?
GG: It's one of my favorite albums, the Eat My Fuc album. It's a classic album. It's one of the greatest GG albums. I think one of the greatest albums in the 1970's or whatever. I don't even remember when it came out. I think it came out in '82 or '81. I don't know, something like that.
K: Have you heard of Karen Finley?
GG: I have heard a lot about her, but I've never seen her. I was supposed to do a show with her in Montreal, but she cancelled. I don't know if she cancelled because of me or what, but...
K: A lot of people seem to be comparing the two of you.
GG: I don't know why. I'm not a performance artist.
K: I know. I think it's the vulgarity between the two of you.
GG: I don't know. I have never seen her, but I can't imagine why people would compare the two of us because she doesn't seem to be that...maybe she would be interesting but, I...I don't know. She really doesn't do much for me. I wouldn't mind seeing her, ya know. From what I've heard, I don't know, does she have a band?
K: No, from the last show I heard about she was screaming vulgarities out and rubbed egg covered stuffed animals on herself, half naked, running around the stage.
GG: Diarrhea is better though. That's all right though. I've been on stage and not even had a band. I played with just a tape recorder and gotten up on stage and just go wild and punch people out and shit. And I've done shows where I have had some of the greatest bands play behind me but I think what it boils down to with me is that I like to have music, too, because I am really into rock-n-roll.
K: GG, what does 'GG' stand for?
GG: (laughs) Hmmm, well, actually it does. It stands for Jesus Christ 'cause that was what my name was when I was born. It was Jesus Christ Allin. It [GG] was sort of like a nickname.
K: But, what? Your real name is Kevin, right?
GG: Well, yeah, they had to [change it]. They wouldn't let me into school as Jesus Christ Allin. But on my birth certificate it is Jesus Christ Allin.
K: Why did your parents pick that?
GG: My father did. My mother didn't want it. My father was a real fucked up guy.
K: Was your father religious?
GG: No, he wasn't at all. He just wanted me to be Jesus Christ.
K: Do you think you are?
GG: Somewhat. Into a certain extent, yeah.
K: On your new album Freaks Faggots Drunks & Junkies the song My Revenge on side one, what is it? Explain it.
GG: Pretty much what it stands for really. There's no music, it's just me talking and yelling and just saying what I felt like saying, ya know. I mean that whole album. I mean you listen to My Bloody Mutilation, that's sorta, if you listen to the whole album it just falls into place. I got one song called Sleeping In My Piss which I wrote about the times, and they're not over, times when I had no bladder control. And Dogshit, that was about the girl I had just broken up with...
K: Are you seeing anyone now? Is there anyone in your life now?
GG: Not really. No.
K: Are you looking for a relationship or what are you looking for?
GG: Not really, no. I don't know...I don't know what I'm looking for really.
K: What ever comes along?
GG: Basically a good time. I have a real hard time finding a relationship because I have a real hard time to get along with, and I'm not...
K: No...not you!
GG: Well, I'm not real easy to live with. I am certainly not easy to live with. I mean you can talk to me and no problem, but you know to live with me would be another story. I am just hard to live with. I don't wanna work. I just hate working.
K: Did you ever have an honest job in your life?
GG: Yeah, I had a couple. Nothing good. I worked in a Laundromat. But I am not really qualified to do anything else.
K: Did you graduate from high school?
GG: Yeah, but just barely.
K: What about the Scumfucs?
GG: Matter of fact, we just did a live reunion tape, just without Al Slime because he and I don't get along at all. But we got a different guitar player and it was the same bass player, drummer and myself. So it was...it should be coming out on cassette only. It came out OK. It's pretty good.
K: The Murderers, are they still together? Are they going to back you up on this tour. How about the AIDS Brigade?
GG: No, no, they broke up. None of those bands are still together. I don't use the same band for very long.
K: So who's backing you up?
GG: I have a band from Chicago called Hazardous Youth. That is what they are called now, but that is not gonna be their name when we go on tour, but that is the name of the band now. I don't really like to use other bands' names. It will just be GG Allin, most likely.
K: What about the tour? What cities are you going to be hitting?
GG: San Francisco. Richie Caana is out there now setting up some gigs. Wisconsin, Minneapolis, Chicago, [of] course, Memphis, Nashville, Dallas. Those are just places I know of. Then we are coming back to do the Lismar in New York.
K: And that is in November?
GG: Yeah, everything is sorta like tentative now, until I get to Chicago and get everything set up.
K: I'd like to come down and see you in New York.
GG: Yeah, I'm telling you, New York is going to be a great show.
K: I believe it.
GG: We would have had a great show in Boston. The band I had was great. We had the greatest soundcheck. We were pissed when they came out and said we couldn't play. (referring to the show in Boston that was supposed to happen with The Volcano Suns) [at The Green Street Station]
K: You said you attempted suicide when you wrote me. What happened?
GG: A couple of times. Two bottles of whiskey and 7 or 8 Valium. I said, "Fuck It." ya know.
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GG: I don't know, figured it was time. I was really depressed.
K: Do you want to live now?
GG: Well, actually, ya know, now is like the tour...
K: People are really starting to take notice of you.
GG: That's the problem. I really don't want to be really popular because that certain pressure, I don't want it.
K: OK, so say you really enjoy this tour and are able to keep doing what you are doing - putting albums out, sign with Combat, keep making music - do you think you might enjoy yourself until you get a little bit older?
GG: Well, you see, the thing - publicity - doesn't matter that much. The records are fun to do because you get to get it out of you - what you want to say and what you are doing. And after a certain point, it doesn't matter any more. Life doesn't matter any more. I mean life to me is the ultimate performance and if you can put it on record, that's great, but it used to be a thrill for me to put an album out. I mean when I put my first album out ten years ago I said if I can do one album, that's all I really need to do. It seems that the more and more you go on, the more and more you do. It gets a little...I'm not really excited, I'm kinda excited. I like playing. I like writing a lot but I'm just not...I mean, goddamn, after you have been written up in millions of magazines there is no excitement anymore.
K: Lonely at the top, is that what you are saying?
GG: The biggest thing that I have done, and I just did an interview with Creem Magazine. Yeah, which was a thrill for me 'cause it's always been one of my favorite magazines.
K: When is that going to be out?
GG: Before Christmas or in the January issue. But I did that and that was fun. That was a good thing, but, uh, I don't know. I just go out and play and I like hanging around with people and drinking and getting fucked up and staying out and just going to bars, having a good time. To me, that is the whole part of touring. It's not even playing, it's more fun when the show's over and you can go and say fuck it, you know.
K: And relax?
GG: Not even so much as relax, just to go out and do what you want to do if you can still walk.
K: Your problems with drugs and alcohol...are you clean? Obviously not, but...
GG: Better than I used to be thought.
K: Do you want to get clean?
GG: Well, I don't want to get clean right now. That was a big problem for me a few years back. I was going out with this girl and she was a real bad junkie and she got me into it and I was shooting a lot. Now it is just irregular and I can stop. I couldn't really too much then. Now it's like I can shoot a little bit of coke, and my heart['s] fucking up, and, you know, and I was having a heart murmur.
K: Between that and all the Ex-Lax and everything else.
GG: Yeah, and then I was drinking so much whiskey and shit. I mean, come on, look at me. Christ, 10 years ago I was beautiful.
K:(Laughing hysterically in convulsions. The way he said it reminded me of some New York Jew/JAP sitting down getting her nails done. And then something came over me because I said:) You still are. It's funny. I mean, I knew what to expect, but then again, I didn't. I mean, I had seen a lot of photos of you and...but I didn't know I wasn't going to have a problem sitting down talking to you coherently.
GG: Yeah, you wouldn't realize it.
K: Well, that's true because that is not what people think of you. Yeah, you know you seem like a pretty nice guy.
GG: You should be able to talk, you know. You should be able to do what you want to do.
K: You said that a lot of boarding houses burnt down. You weren't responsible for that were you?
GG: Oh, no. They burnt down because there were a lot of bums living there and shit, you know.
K: Where are you living now?
GG: Right now I am not living anywhere. I'm staying with my brother three, four days a week. I am staying with a girl across town another couple days a week. That is why I'm moving to Chicago.
K: Are you going to be staying with a girl out there?
GG: Two girls and a guy, yup.
K: Who are some of your major musical influences?
GG: Um, not really...it's hard to say. Not really anybody. I don't like a lot of bands right now. I can't even name five bands on one hand that I like.
K: Do you have a favorite band?
GG: At this point, my favorite band of all time, um, I don't really have a favorite band. I can't really pick one out because...I don't know.
K: What do you feel about David Johanson becoming Buster Poindexter?
GG: I don't like that at all. After The Dolls broke up, Johanson was like...he sucked all along anyway. And Thunders, he's...I don't know. He's fucking...I saw him about a month ago. I thought that he sucked, anyhow.
K: What is your musical background? What do you play and how did you learn?
GG: Self taught everything. I play guitar, play drums. I just learned myself.
K: Really? You can hear that New Hampshire accent coming through.
GG: Is that a New Hampshire accent? I don't know what it is.
K: It's cute. It's funny. What lies ahead for GG Allin?
GG: I don't know, same thing. Just keep playing, travel.
K: What do you think about the title "The Sickest Man In Rock And Roll" from the Boston Phoenix on August 26th?
GG: Oh yeah. I don't mind that, no. I guess I've earned it.
K: Proud of it?
GG: Pretty much.
K: Your tattoos?
GG: They are not real. They are the stick on ones, ya know.
(We both laugh)
K: They wash off, right? OK, now let me ask you this, without having to prove it, is your dick really that scabbed?
GG: (blatantly) Yeah. Let me tell ya, there's many a scab on it. And it's hard 'cause when you get scabs like that then you kinda gotta get on the two finger routine, when you beat off as much as I do, about 8 times a day. Well, now it's down to about 4 or 5. The older you get, the less you cum. I used to be really good at it, once.
K: I'll take your word for it. Are you familiar with Klondike bars?
(I had to explain it along with the whole commercial and "What would you do for a Klondike Bar?" and he had no honest understanding of the whole thing.)
GG: I don't know what the fuck it is.
(We are both laughing very hard. I am on the brink of tears at this point 'cause he is so damn funny in the way he says stuff, just the expression on his face.)
K: Do you get a lot of mail?
GG: Yeah, I get quite a bit - sometimes more than I wanna get. I like some of it though. I get underwear, stuff like that. I get lots of girls writing to me. Phone sex, that's fun. Some of it's real interesting. Kinda skim through and take out the best and throw the rest in the trash. Just take the money out. Never send people what they order. (He's acting proud of this) I've ripped so many people off in the mail. People think I have a fucking warehouse with all those records. I don't even own copies of my own records. I don't have any of them! People ask me "What do you do with copies of your own records?" I have to buy them like everybody else, you know! Nobody gives me free copies of my own stuff. I pawn them! People send me free albums, I pawn 'em off.
K: What makes you tick?
GG: My heart, I guess. (laughs) What makes you tick?
K: My heart, I guess. No, what keeps you going? What makes you get up in the morning?
GG: I don't get up in the morning.
K: OK, what makes you get up in the afternoon?
GG: (laughs) The effect of the Jim Beam wearing off! I wake up, basically, so I can go out and do it again. Get drunk.
K: What turns you on?
GG: (thoughtful pause) Loads and loads of underwear. Uh, certain girls. Masturbation turns me on.
K: What turns you on with women?
GG: With women? Lots of piss and shit. I like a girl that likes to shit on me, piss on me. I can't find too many though. Occasionally a whore. But I really don't like straight sex. I'm not really into intercourse too much. I like lots of oral sex and like I said I like lots of piss and shit on me. I mean, that turns me on more than straight. I dislike (unintelligible). I like nasty things. I'm not into love. I'm not into that fuckin' romance sex at all. [It] doesn't turn me on whatsoever, at all! I'd rather go out and have sex with a girl I hate - it's just better. Occasionally a couple of guys will come along.
K: Seriously?
GG: Yeah. I used to have sex with my brother and a few other guys.
K: Did you like it? Any different?
GG: It's different. It's not real better or worse. If it's what you want, it's pretty much the same. It has to be somebody that I want though, or if somebody wants to pay me then I guess I'd do it with anybody.
K: What turns you on with a guy?
GG: Young. Young guys with no facial hair. Actually, really young guys turn me on.
K: Children?
GG: Yeah! I like that.
K: Did you ever molest anybody?
GG: Over what age?
K: What's the youngest?
GG: 12. Last year. I mean, I think that's old enough, right?
K: I dunno. You tell me.
GG: Well, she was hanging around. I figured, "Hey..." I don't think that was too bad. It didn't seem it to me, I guess. I usually go out with a girl around 14. I haven't gone out with a girl over 20 yet, so I guess that's not too bad.
K: Guess not. Is there one message that you are trying to say through your music or your act? What is it?
GG: I am not trying to tell anybody anything. I'm just doing what I want to do. Everybody has their own way of doing what they want to do. This is my way of saying what I want to do. It's just for myself really, ya know. If people can understand it and follow it, that's OK and fine. If not, I really don't care too much either if they don't.
K: Were you surprised when you got my letter? What did you think?
GG: I thought, well, the only people from New Hampshire that write to me are people that I know because people around here don't have to write to me. They usually can see me. I really didn't know what to expect. I didn't know.
K: So did you think I was going to show? Were you?
GG: I really didn't know. I almost didn't show up. I said "Oh, fuck. I'm tired." I haven't slept in three days. I figured I'd go out and see, ya know.
K: Funny, I didn't think I was going to show.
GG: I didn't mind doing it. I got into a fight with a guy Sunday who was doing an interview with me.
K: Why?
GG: I just didn't like him. I mean the guy was an asshole. Ya know how you meet somebody you just don't like?
K: Yes!!
GG: I didn't like this guy, and instead of asking me questions...I mean he was talking behind my back, which I did not like to begin with, and I could hear him. I mean, what the fuck, did he think I was stupid? I could hear him and I was sitting next to this guy and he was asking all these people questions about me, "Why does GG do this? Why does GG do that?" and he was not asking me, and finally I walked over to him, pulled his fucking leg out, broke it and took his fucking recorder and threw it down, stomped on it, broke it, and started punching the shit out of him, and kicked him in the fucking head a few times, and everything was fine after that. He left. His fucking recorder was in pieces. (eyeing mine, while demonstrating) It was great. I was so furious. I mean, awhhhhh, it pissed me off. I just don't like people like that at all, you know, hey. So that was the end of his interview I guess.
K: So anything else you want to say on the record?
GG: Not really. I don't really give a shit what people think about me really.
K: That's the best attitude to have.
GG: What other attitude is there? I mean, fuck it. Get to telling people too much and they think that you are a fucking preacher. I don't know. Every man for himself.
K: I tell ya, Geeg...may I call you Geeg?
GG: Everybody else does.
K: Thank you for meeting me. I was really glad, and I was really surprised.
GG: So is this thing going to come out or what?
K: Yes, it's going to come out, and I'll even send you a copy - Chairs Missing.
GG: Yeah and send it to me.
K: Do you have any values?
GG: I don't really care too much about values, but I think I have different...I have been to a psychiatrist before and went through all this shit.
K: Do you think you're crazy?
GG: This is it. I don't think I'm crazy. I think I have different personalities at times.
K: Really?
GG: Yeah. My wife always thought I did and I guess some other people. I went to a psychiatrist for it, didn't get too much out of it, but I went. But there are different sides to me. There are...
K: The violent side.
GG: Yeah, but I'm basically the same person all the time, but...
K: The way you handle things.
GG: Yeah, there is like a streak in me that is pretty pissed off, pretty much 99 percent of the time.
K: Do you have any dreams?
GG: I always have nightmares.
K: No, no. I don't mean when you sleep. Do you have a dream/goal?
GG: I have pretty much done everything I wanted to do, so I can't really...
K: Think you are going to stick around for awhile? Do you still have suicidal tendencies?
GG: I don't know. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. I don't even think about it anymore. I just do what I feel like doing, and if I die, I die. I don't even care. It doesn't even matter. I've done everything I wanted to do so it doesn't even matter. So if I die tomorrow, I wouldn't regret anything I've done. I look at it this way, you've got to do everything once. All I wanted was one album, you know, I've done the albums. I always wanted to fucking do heroin. I always wanted to shoot up and I did that. I've been through all that there is to be through.
K: Basically, yeah, I think so.
GG: So, you know...
K: Any wisdom, wise words?
GG: No, not really, can't think of anything, no. It's just basically...I mean the only wisdom I would have is to fucking...is step on everybody you can to get where you want to go. Seriously, you got to. People are going to fuck you over, all the time.
K: Do you think that contributed to things in your life?
GG: That's what I mean. The Jabbers. When I started the Jabbers I did it with every intent to use my name and that was a problem. Everybody always thought I had an ego problem. And I'll tell you, it's like this - most people are [not] going to stick with what they're going to believe in. Most people my age have grown out of what I'm still into, you know. When I was 16...
K: In a poll I just read in Flipside, the last age limit for people who are still into stuff was 26.
GG: That's true. Most people that I see that have been into me for the last few years have all like, grown up. Even the people in the band are grown up. They get married, they have kids, they go off...they just [end up] like everybody that I hate, everybody that we were against, and now they are just being like that. I refuse. I refuse, forever, eternity. I don't care how old I get, or how young I die, or whatever. I am going to fucking go to the end of exactly what I'm doing, because you've got to. And nobody will do that. There are very, very few people in this world that are willing to go through what I've been through and still keep going. Most people would have given up. I mean, fucking five years ago with the shit I have gone through...
K: That is very true.
GG: I have given up a lot of shit. But you got to fucking do that. I see these bands now and they are big talk, big titles and don't even talk to me about shit 'til you do it. You know, that is the way I look at it.
K: You asked me in my letter where was I a year ago.
GG: No, I asked you where you where ten years ago.
K: No, I know what you mean. You also asked me what I was doing a year ago. Where were you a year ago?
GG: A year ago, what was I doing? I was drinking. I was really drinking. (getting happy and excited) I was hanging out with Jim [Beam]. And I'll tell ya, last winter was, ooh, man...I was ready to die. I was living in a room, I just moved out of it 4 or 5 weeks ago. I was living in a room probably the size of...
K: A big bathroom?
GG: Yeah, exactly. I mean it had a bed it in and you could just walk in the room and barely squeeze [in], and that was it. I mean before that I was living in all these boarding houses, paying $50.00 a week. You know, why not? That way you don't have to work too hard. You buy two loaves of bread, a couple jars of peanut butter, you can live on that. I've eaten dog food. I've eaten ketchup soup. I've eaten every fuckin'...I was going to write a cookbook once, "How To Live On $10.00 A Week" by GG Allin.
K: Hey, that's not a bad idea. That is a great idea.
GG: I was actually gonna do that. I'm telling ya, I did that. Ten bucks a week and you can survive, and people don't realize that. People are gonna go out and...of course you can go out...I used to buy 5 or 6 things of macaroni and cheese a week for like a buck and then you get the family thing and you buy like a thing of chicken and you can make soup and live on it for a week. It's like three bucks and $1.00 peanut butter and with seven bucks, you got three bucks left. My major problem was that I would spend like ten bucks on groceries and about $50.00 on alcohol. (laughs) So, it was like, I mean, if I cut down on drinking I could get a steak once and awhile. But the great thing about it was is that I always went out with girls that had a lot of money. They treated me like royalty. It was great. I don't know how I did it, I really don't know how I did it. My wife was a model. The girl I got pregnant, her mother was a puffffff, rich uup the ass. All these girls...It's funny, all these girls. It's funny, girls that like me are girls that you wouldn't think would, 'cause in a way...but, that's why we don't last too long. I guess it's something different from them, but...
K: I am sure that they find you attractive in the sense of...you know that you are a rebel without a cause type-thing, you know like the quote in the Phoenix that you are a "mother's worst nightmare."
GG: Yeah.
K: And in a sense...
GG: I have never, never had a girl's mother like me yet - never. But, I can be pretty dishonest. I've...I've...fucked over a lot of people. Hey, if somebody told me there was $100.00 dollars under that table over there, I would take it. If I know that I can get [something] for free, I'll take it. Hey, why not? That's what it's there for. Ya know, somebody leaves a door unlocked and I'm walking by and no cops [are] around, I'm gonna go in that house and take something. Yeah, you know, I've always been like that, even when I was in school. We had a fucking thing going when I was in school. Me and my brother, we used to go out and steal shit for all the other kids and bring it back and sell it. It was great. It really was. You got the hang out action where the kids go and smoke their dope and their cigarettes, and we'd go out there and say what do you guys want today and make a fucking list, get a hitchhike into town, steal it all, bring it back and sell it. And we never got caught!! And it was great. We were the best fucking thieves ever, breaking into cabins, stealing TV's...
K: (He'd been chain smoking) Smoke cigarettes?
GG: Yeah, I'm off and on. I've been smoking since I was like 14. I quit then I start. I quit and I start, then I quit, then I start.
K: Whenever you feel like it.
GG: Yeah, I'm on again, off again, sort of, really, with everything.
K: Kind of a situational smoker?
GG: I was really heavy into everything, now I'm into everything whenever I want to be into it.
K: What about what happened on "People Are Watching"? Wanna comment on that?
GG: That was fun.
K: Do you always do that to women you don't know?
GG: Yeah, yeah, why not? I figure, the time seemed right.
K: Yeah, I guess.
GG: It really was great. We slept on Morton Downey's roof top.
K: In the satellite dish, right?
GG: Yeah, after we got thrown out. We said, where are we going to sleep? So me and Larvae ended up climbing up the dumpster, getting on the roof top, pulling everybody up. So the next morning we get up, it was like 10:00AM. We were all hung over. We were fucking black, smelled. We had nothing to do 'cause the taping of the Mort Show wasn't until 7:00PM. What the fuck were we going to do all day? So we saw this line of people out there, all dressed real nice, and these girls were in these nice tight dress pants. We said shit. We asked people what are you doing? What are you going to see? They said "We're going to 'People Are Talking'." So we saw a couple people that looked semi-cool and we said, "How can you get tickets?" And they said, "You can't but we have some extras." So we squeezed five tickets, got in line and we just didn't fit in. So they made us go through this thing, checked us for weapons, and they gave us this big lecture: if you get out of hand, you're gonna get thrown out, and all this other horse shit. We got in there and they put us in the back and then the fucking Guardian Angels are there, fucking like pointing at us. Who's that Siesewa guy (Curtis Silva), whatever the fuck his name is, the head of the Guardian Angels, always got that stupid hat, there. Yeah, he was pointing at me, and Howard Stern was on. They all thought that we were there to see Howard Stern. Little did they know that we didn't know who the fuck he was, ya know. We're from fucking New Hampshire, we don't know who fucking Howard Stern is. (laughs) The other guy, he's looking at me, he says, "We'll be seeing you later." Why does he keep pointing at us? During every commercial break they like got in a huddle and I was like something's up. So after the show I jumped over the balcony and Morton Downing Jr.'s producer comes up to me and says that there are cops all outside the building. I said wonderful. So I figured, hell, I'll go out and see what's going on. I figured that I'd still get to do the show and then they would take me to jail afterwards. I figured at least he'd pay my bail.
K: No.
GG: That was it. I was history after that. I was in the fucking police car.
K: Did you resist arrest?
GG: Well, I couldn't at that time.
K: No, I mean in general or...before?
GG: Oh, yeah, many times. I got the shit kicked out of me up here at the Salty Dog. Cops came in and they just served me a drink. They came in and told me I had to get out. They were trying to throw me out. I told him I wasn't leaving until I finished my drink. I paid seven bucks for these two drinks and I'm gonna drink 'em! The cop says, "You better get to the car." I said, "You got a fucking attitude." I called him an asshole. He kicked me and grabbed me and kicked the fucking shit out of me. I spit on a cop once. He kicked the shit out of me too! He wanted me to sit down at a fucking concert. I didn't want to sit down so I fucking spit on him!! (laughs)
K: Your teeth. Smile. I want to see...
GG: Nice, huh?
K: Well...
GG: See this, I used to use this once for a cigarette holder. (GG demonstrates putting a cigarette in-between his teeth) It used to stick right in there but now it is just chipped off.
K: I guess you don't get to floss or brush much.
GG: Well, I need a rope to floss, or a small dick. I can't afford it. I go to the emergency room when I go through bad toothaches. They give me medicine. It lasts for awhile.
K: You can't afford toothpaste? Do you shower? It seems like it - you don't smell too bad.
GG: Would you care for a closer look?
K: No, but I'd like to see your tattoos. (He takes his black leather jacket off) You did most of these yourself?
GG: Most of them. Most of them I do at a different tour. (Pointing) I did that one in (unknown), the Texas Nazis. That['s] the Eat My Fuc album, that's the Jabbers. That's the Scumfucs. (unknown) Boys. Oh they're great, they're pretty disgusting.
K: What about that one?
GG: That one is stupid. I don't care for it that much. This one is a classic, this one is cool. Got this one for the Motorhead album. This one['s] from the Doors album. That's Fuck You and the one I never did finish.
K: Do you shave your chest?
GG: Of course. It looks all sweaty and slimy and stuff. And when you shit on yourself it looks great. Classic arms. When I die, I am having them cut off and put in a museum. Why not?
K: Sure, why not? Those are the only tattoos you have? You don't have anything on your back?
GG: No. I'm putting a big bottle of Jim Beam on my back. I just haven't gotten a tattoo for a long time.
K: How do you do it?
GG: Get a single needle, you thread it, get Indian Ink, stick it in 'til you bleed.
K: Does it hurt you? Bother you?
GG: I didn't feel it too much.
K: Who would after a bottle of Jim Beam? (we laugh)
GG: I like my tattoos, they have a lot of meaning. Everybody's got the same thing, a fucking eagle or a skull.
K: Would you ever go to somebody like Spider Webb?
GG: My brother has. He's gone to Spider. He's got some great tattoos. I don't want them. I don't want to pay for it. I don't want to pay for my tattoos. Why should I? I can get one free. There is more meaning for it with these. These all mean something to me. It's not [like] I am going to go to somebody and say, "Here's $150.00, give me a beautiful tattoo." I don't want to do that.
K: Well, you're not into beauty anyway, are you?
GG: No, I don't want it.
K: You're not that bad looking. It is surprising from what I thought you would look like.
GG: I have been through my phases when I wore miniskirts to clubs and garter belts. I pretty much look like this all the time. Why do I want to look like anybody else?
K: You wouldn't be you if you looked like everybody else.
GG: Yeah, that's it. I mean I would just wear my jockstrap if I could when I go out. These are pretty much the only clothes I have anyway. Yeah, I got like two pairs of pants and everything I got fits in a suitcase and I like it that way. I can up and leave anytime I want. It's great. I have no ties, no connections, I can get my fucking suitcase and go, people I know have like fucking cars and all that shit.
K: I think that there probably are a couple bunch of people that are envious of you.
GG: Yeah, I'm sure there are. I don't want to get tied down. I just can't really see it happening here and fuck it, if you can't have what you want. (He buys another beer) Christ, this is great bootleg material, people would pay big money for this shit.
K: Have you ever been tested for AIDS?
GG: Never, never. I don't want to. If I get it, I get it. I don't want to know. Shared a lot of needles in my time and a few girls in my time. Some were so young and I never used a rubber so I was really concerned. I never worry about it too much and some of the girls I had sex with didn't fuck anyway. So I guess you can get it from other bodily fluids. (starts to laugh) I look at it just like everything else - you are going to overdose or drink yourself to death or fuck yourself to death or you are going to fall down a goddamn flight of stairs, you know. Somehow when fate calls, you're going.
K: Somehow I can picture you with a bottle of Jim Beam...
GG: Well, Edison describes it all and says that GG is indestructible. He say seem me get the shit kicked out of me with steel-toed boots by five skinheads and I mean kicking me! And I got up and walked away. Of course, I didn't feel too good the next day, but I don't know what it is. I swear, I have been on stage - I should show you the scars on my legs...
K: I believe you.
GG: When I get offstage, I am covered with blood...
K: Do you take a shower after?
GG: Sometimes, sometimes not. I am really sick for weeks after gigs. It takes a lot out of me and I am not 16 anymore. I can still do it. I tell you I can keep up with anybody. I see kids up on stage and I get up there with them, 16, 17 year old kids and completely blow them away. They are fucking amazed. I don't know what it is. It is just this energy that comes over me. I can just do anything and it doesn't hurt. I can explode. When I played in Montreal a couple months ago I broke my shoulder right here. You can still see the bone right here. I got fucking blood poisoning for like the 8th time. And I got up and walked away and went to the bar and had a good time. It's fucking amazing the shit I have been through.
K: You seem like you are a strong person both physically and emotionally.
GG: I am not that strong physically but emotionally I am like a rock.
K: Do you think that has to do with the fact of your childhood?
GG: Maybe, but I think that that is good because most of my friends have to have a relationship. Most of my friends break up with a girl and "Oh, my girl..." I like to be by myself. I get really reclusive a lot of times and I like to be by myself. I really withdraw from people. I get very withdrawn. I am very withdrawn, even when I play.
K: Were you ostracized as a kid?
GG: (after I explain to him what ostracize means) Yeah, I was, always was. I never wanted to get along with things.
K: Do you think people from high school have heard about you?
GG: Yeah, I'm sure they have. Christ, my album was on MTV. I never saw the show.
K: What do you really hate?
GG: I hate everything, people mostly. Look at the kids now. If you go up to the high school you always see the guys in all designer clothes that are jocks, they all look the same, or new wave geeks. Nobody is an individual. I went to a high school that had all geeks and farmers. I wore polkadot stretch pants, women's blouses and high heels, pocketbooks, my hair was down to there and I had round glasses. There is nobody really being that much of an individual.
K: I never really knew what I was getting myself into and I was pleasantly surprised when I saw you and what I saw as well as meeting you. I can't believe how funny you are.
GG: I am not stupid. I can read. I am literate. If you are going to be real about something then just be yourself and do it. Hey, I know inside what's going on and I can see and I can be like that. There are things that I have done that I should be in jail a long time for. I have raped a couple of girls and have had my share of beating up girls, but at the same time, I didn't care. It's nothing that I'm too proud of. I have thrown girls out of my house, hung them out of a window and beaten them with microphone stands but it doesn't mean I can't sit here and talk with you.
K: I was wondering how violent you were but right now you seem fine.
GG: I have my times. You got to go to all ends to do something if you believe in something...I mean obviously you don't go halfway.
K: In a way for you to believe and not care what anybody says about you along without caring out of the fact of going all the way, that is pretty admirable.
GG: I think so.
K: Is there anyplace you would like to play, anybody you would like to play with?
GG: Well, it's funny. I have always been a big fan of Suicide, Alan Vega. I have always been a big Dead Boys fan, Dolls fan. So when I went to see Johnny Thunders at the Limelight, this was this summer because I was in New York or Boston every weekend this summer. This was the "Allin Boys Destructive Summer" until my brother got a girlfriend and completely pussied out. Print that. He's an asshole. And I went to see Johnny Thunders. I wanted to talk to him and I'm hanging out with Mykel Board and Cheeta [Chrome]. I knew Cheeta anyway because I used to play in his band for a short time. And I ran into Cheeta, ran into Sylvain Sylvain, got into a fight with Johnny Thunders. I wanted to talk to him. He is really straight now, he doesn't do drugs. I was drunk and he was in this booth with his girlfriend, all these people, and I was walking over trying to talk to him. And he was pushing me away saying, "I don't want to talk right now." I was staggering and I told him, (unknown). I grabbed his cigarette out of his mouth, he got pissed, he said "Get out of here!" I said something and his girlfriend told me to shut up, I said something to her, he said "GG, don't be rude," and pushed me away. That wasn't even the highlight of the night. I met Alan Vega. I would have paid the cover charge just to see him. And I was talking to him and he wants to produce my next album, and I talked to Cheeta and he wanted to play guitar on it. So right there I figure those are two great connections. I got their phone numbers. I was happy as shit. I would much rather listen to Tiny Tim.
K: Is there anyplace that you would like to play? If I gave you $2.00 would you play my bathroom?
GG: It's gone up to $10.00. Three years ago I was doing gigs for $50.00 a gig before I signed with Homestead. Gerard wrote me up a contract that I was to get $500.00 a show. People still write me asking if I would still play for $50.00 a show and I was like noooo...I can play for $300.00 to $500.00 a night. Why should I play for a little when I can sometimes sell out to some of these big places? I usually pack people in a club.
K: People you don't know usually pick you out by sight?
GG: Yeah, the first time I was in Chicago somebody stopped a car to get my autograph. I said "Wow!!" If there are people stupid enough to pay for an autograph, take advantage of it. I usually charge between one and five dollars. I don't work so I have to get some money some how. I mean my...I bootleg my own tapes and sell them, buy copies of my albums for $50.00. I can sell copies for $50.00-$100.00.
K: Do you like to make people feel uncomfortable?
GG: Yeah, I like tension in the air. When people come to one of my shows, I want them to feel uncomfortable. There are people there that want to kill me or people that are afraid of me. When I played the Lismar there were people with umbrellas. One time when I played in Philadelphia with a band called Genocide, I did an enema. I was giving [Genocide vocalist] Bobby head on stage - it was cool.
K: I didn't know this many people come in here.
GG: Yeah, on the weekends it's not too bad. There is a band in here. I would rather listen to the band do the Stones really bad that Bon Jovi good. I like Keith Richards, he's awesome.
K: Do you have any idols?
GG: Me. I am my own idol. (belch) It's really the only way you can get ahead anyway. I mean, why look up to anybody else? When I was 12 or 13 I thought Iggy was cool. Why look up to him anymore? I have surpassed anything that he has ever done. Why should I look up to him now 'cause he fucking sucks. He's a puss. I have no respect for him anymore. I would much rather idolize someone like Jim Morrison or Hank Williams. Hank Williams is it. Hank Williams was it. You should read one of his books, "The Hank Williams Story." Not Hank Williams Jr., Hank Williams Sr.! He died in back of a car drinking and he was great, fucking great. Janis Joplin was great. Morrison was smart and a good writer and he had a lot of charisma. The first book I ever read was "The Wild Boys" by William S. Burroughs and I couldn't understand it. I had to read it three times to understand it, even you might have a hard time. I read a Jim Morrison book. One time we played a gig right here in Manchester and by the time we got to the third song, everybody in the place had left. Right there I knew we were going places. If they would have liked us, it would have sucked because it was Manchester. The only reason why I wanted to play anyway was because I hated this fucking place. We figured we would go into all the clubs we hated and just destroy them. I thought there was more to this and it just felt so good inside. After a while everybody's girlfriend started leaving them, they said "If you are gonna play with him, we aren't gonna go out with you anymore." So, of course, they went. I went through six drummers in two years.
K: Do you have any good memories?
GG: The best time when I was shooting up with this girl. I think she liked me, but I liked her like a buddy. I was really fucked up all the time.
K: Do you see your daughter a lot?
GG: Not a lot, but enough. She is a mixed up little kid too. She knows who I am. She'll stay with a lot of different people, she's been bounced around a lot. Her mother just tried to kill herself last week. Yeah, I see her but that's a bad scene.
K: Do you love anyone? Your brother?
GG: No, I think we are as close as we could possibly be.
K: If he died, would you miss him?
GG: Yeah, I would probably miss him.
K: Would you cry?
GG: No. I can't remember the last time I cried. There is nobody that close to me. Of all the times, I can say that I was probably in love once - that was the girl I married and we were real young. She was 17 and I was probably 18.
K: Did you have a regular wedding?
GG: Yeah, I wasn't even prepared for what it was. When I first met her she was young, she was a virgin. She idolized me. I could do anything, and I was God to her. But just like everyone else, she grew up and she realized that she did not want to spend the rest of her life with me. I was coming home with blood on me every night. She could not deal with it. She came to one of my shows once and freaked out and she hated what I did. I would come home covered in blood and shit and would call her to bail me out of jail. We were playing a lot back then. I was on the road 16-17 days out of 30. I cheated on her a few times, left pictures on the table. I just wasn't ready. I still pretty much haven't been in love yet. I can be alone. I have conditioned myself to be alone. I am very set in my ways, very stubborn, because of my age.
K: What nationality are you?
GG: I don't know.
K: Are you usually honest on most interviews?
GG: Yeah, I tell people what they ask generally.
K: How did you lose your virginity?
GG: With a girl? The first time I had sex I did it with my brother. We were 12 - pretty young. Get a hard-on, come over here, do it. I always thought that was normal back then. We would skip school everyday and get each other off. One of my best friends walked in on us. That was not good, it got all over town that we were gay. That is pretty embarrassing not even being in high school and people saying we were gay. Had my dog get me off once with the sandy tongue, that was cool. I was going out with this girl, Cindy Partridge and Al was going but with this girl Cindy Rodgers. For some reason he liked my girlfriend and I liked his. So we traded. Things came about - things didn't work out but Al stayed with her for a while. Then I met Sandy, the girl I married. During high school I had about (unknown) girlfriends, they would all pass the hat to get me (unknown) was different. I was really more into masturbation than anything.
K: Are you still now?
GG: Yeah, I think that I am addicted to it - it's like a drug to me. When I was in high school, I was in the bathroom more than I was in the classroom. I used to wear stretch pants and there was nothing I could do because there was nowhere to put it. I would (unknown) in the bathroom a lot. Stained jeans with that spot on your crotch.
K: Certainly different and definitely and individual.
GG: GG Allin interview at the Mai Kai Restaurant in Manchester, NH. (farts)
K: Did you hear that? He just farted.
GG: You probably didn't get that on there. Is it a good recorder or what?
K: I don't know, it isn't mine.
GG: There you go. Send me a copy of this tape. I got to hear it.
K: How far do you live from here?
GG: Not far, maybe a mile. I can walk it.
K: Do you remember Mark Rachinsky from the Anthrax? You left a message on his tape machine. You said something...blah, blah, blah and fuck you this is GG Allin.
GG: Wait...wait did he come to the Lismar?
K: Yeah, I think so.
GG: I don't like that guy, if it is the one I think it is. I don't even remember but I met somebody from Connecticut who said that they were gonna give me a show and then I called back and he said he wasn't gonna do it and like he didn't know why.
K: Is there anything that you won't do?
GG: For money I will do just about anything. I have done a lot. If I died I wouldn't regret anything. I regret not going to Europe. I get a lot of letters from all over.
K: West Germany?
GG: Germany is like GG-Land. It is like GG Country. France, I'm popular in France. London is like faggy haircut music. It's like fucking shit.
K: Do you vote?
GG: I have never voted. Who cares? Vote for me! It doesn't affect my life any. The liquor stores are still gonna be opened. They start closing the liquor stores, I'm voting. I just can't see it. I can't think of one person that I would have ever voted for...except Gary Hart. He had the right idea, though. Screwing around on his wife. Politically I don't know but sexually he was doing alright.
(He tries to light a cigarette but has it in the wrong way.)
K: GG the other way.
GG: Oh Jesus, light it.
K: I can light it right, you can't smoke it correctly.
(I took a picture of him and the Chinese bartender yells, "Oh, it's paparazzi time." I said, "Oh Hell, this is the biggest thing Manchester has." GG said, "That thing has got a big flash (unknown) it.")
K: Did you ever hear of Malcolm Tent?
GG: Oh yeah, I know Malcolm. He came to Manchester once. He filmed a video for me. Is he still with that girl?
K: Yeah, he married her. Any last words?
GG: Nah.
FOOTNOTE: He told me I look like Tiny Tim because of my hair and that that was cool because he met Tiny Tim and he is one of his idols. He wants to do a duet with him. He probably would, so Tiny Tim, if you are out there reading this: (1) get real; (2) get lost and (3) call GG. So ya'll can Tip Toe Through the Tulips. Count me out.
KARRIE
NOTE: Interviewed at the Mai Kai Restaurant - Manchester, NH - 13-SEP-1988
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