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Margaret BINGHAM
and
Joseph MUNCE
Joseph the son of Joseph
Munce1742-1824 and his wife Elizabeth
Abbreviations
All
the ones with surname MUNCE stayed in Ireland.
Complete
family tree with short notes available in Word form by email to family
- a file for Orange Tree and one for the Green Tree
Orange
Tree = Margaret Binghams descendants
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"Harbour View" built when? |
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The children of Margaret
BINGHAM m. Joseph MUNCE
all Born Killough. Co.Down.
Irish information is gleaned
form family bibles, family letters, and verbal history, and cousin Mary
Cavan, in N.I. who is a local historian. Events in Victoria have been checked
with registration records.
Many of the children of
these people sailed on the "Great Britain" to Australia and
changed their names to MUNTZ . Those who stayed in Ireland kept MUNCE.
Recent research by myself
onto the Huguenot records [at AIGS] found only 1 Muntz who was a Huguenot
naturalized on 28 Dec 1796, whose name was Phillipp Frederick
MUNTZ, son of John George MUNTZ and Mary SAURKOPF his wife, born Alsace.
Records of pensioned soldiers of William of Orange living in
Dublin and Portarlington Ireland, found no Muntzs.
This photograph would likely
be taken just before going to Australia, is probably Margaret
[nee Bingham] Muntz with her eldest son Joseph [Big Joe]
and his wife Margaret [nee Martin} and Sarah Bingham
MUNTZ b 16-1-1857 Irl. Joseph William MUNTZ
b 30-12-1859 Irl.[photo courtesy GM grandson of Joseph
William Muntz in this photo]
Margaret Muntz with all her children
She lived from 5-2-1837-
30-7-1924, 87 years.
L-R Standing: Margaret,
Sarah, Nelson, Maude, Lizzie, Tom
L-R Sitting: Edward,
Hugh, Margaret (nee Martin), Joseph
William.
AIF
embarked 1916 aged 31, private, farmer of Nathalia, father
Joseph William P.O.Nathatlia , C of E.
10th
infantry brigade, 37th Infantry Battalion , 3rd reinforcement.
2007 Thanks to John C. ! Now I have the answer .. This.J.H.Muntz refers to "James (Jim) Hosken Muntz, brother of Eric. They both had farms in the Sandigo/ Boree Creek area."
The brides are : Left, Maggie with her groom John Alex. Miller on her right sitting,
and Lizzie with her groom Fred.Samule Burge Mc Naughton on her right, sitting.
Standing L-R : Mrs Longstaff, her daughter Sarah Jane standing beside her spouse Thomas N Muntz, lady unknown and Nelson Muntz, Miss Maude Muntz, minister, Emma Phillips, man unnknown, lady unknown, "Frank" Frederick Furze (husb of Sarah Muntz surely in this picture where?), Mary Muntz, Jos. "Bingham" Muntz (his wife Maude not present), man, Emma Muntz.Sitting L-R: Susan Stuart, Mrs Eliza Muntz, Jos. Muntz, Margaret (nee Martin) Muntz, 2 couples, Amelia (nee Phillips) and her husband Hugh "Martin" Munt z, an older couple unknown.
On the ground: L-R all unknown : 1 man, 2 girls, one boy and then on right 2 girls?
3.William
MUNTZ 1824
-1890 buried Woodend Cemetery . m.Ann BRAY ( widow BREWER)
Vic
I have a copy of a letter written by W.B.[ William Bingham] Muntz 7th August 1865 to B.H. Kane Esq, Sec Board of Education, Melbourne, regarding a Metcalf shire proposal for a Common School no 467 as they wanted aid to build " a substantial brick school, deatils its size etc and no of pupils and rooms and costs etc.building" many letter regarding this work.Land title certificate searches of the land near Ashbourne occupied by half a house thought to be occupied by widow Jane Stockdale [nee Munce sister of Little Joe Muntz of Everleigh Farm] and 8 grown children show that John O'Grady had title but it was Mortgaged to William Muntz 1881 [discharged 1902].
m
1) 1894 Vic. Albert Edward EDDY
d Brighton Vic
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for bigger picture.
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house of Captain NELSON, The Square, Killough,
Co Down. Also caleld now Palatine Square [ 2006]
He was married to Margaret Munce. The Square is bounded by Palatine Row and Main Street! Photo marked "E" from Mary Cavan, maps and photos.(see map of Killough showing each house!) |
Elizabeth
MUNCE's house x, Castle Street Killough. Later occupied by Alex Munce when
Harbour View sold 1928.
Above red brick house on left adjoining it is the summer house of James MUNCES family, from Mary Cavan, maps and photos. Photo marked "C". |
From
Alan Young (UK) who has visited Killough [1999]:
"The
Munce house on Castle Street in Killough is in fact 3 houses and an old
school house removed from Palatine house. Looking at the front
of Palatine house, to the right is Church Lane, then the old school house
(Joseph' s [NELSON] father was the headmaster), then another driveway.
To the right of this is the group of 4 houses in the picture with the Munce
house marked with an x. That house is the home of Joseph's parents.
Immediately to its left is the Munce house. "
From Mary Caven in
Co Down, we got exact names and rels.
L-R Elizabeth d1928 sister
of Alex, Meta, Alex dau, Alex d1964, Newell Alex's son, Emma Alex's
wife.
Iza Munce 1919 |
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| Olive, Mrs Cotter, Murray, Nan, Malcolm | Olive and Murray Cotter in
Irish Jaunting Car |
1872
he belonged to the royal Society of Victoria.
He
was a councillor of Prahran from 1883-1893.
Court
Case he won!
[James
Evans: 1829-1907:... The defence as to the balance was that the metal had
to be broken to the satisfaction of Mr TB Muntz, engineer of the Shire
of Metcalfe. ... from a dead link www.gorey.com.au/evans.htm
found ..
In
1874 the rate books describe James as a publican and contractor. He did
construction work for the shire. His final municipal entry was in 1876,
which coincides with the time he bought a farm at Timmering.
James
Evans was referred to in a Kyneton Guardian report from September 7, 1869
as being taken to court by various sub-contractors claiming payment. The
newspaper reported that M McManus sought an order for £8-19s to pay
for work and labor done.
"Complainant
had been engaged to break three-inch metal for the defendant a contractor
with the Shire of Metcalfe at two shillings per yard. He had broken 89
yards, which at the rate named made up the amount. A sum to the amount
of £5-14 was paid," the paper reported.
"The
defence as to the balance was that the metal had to be broken to the satisfaction
of Mr TB Muntz, engineer of the Shire of Metcalfe. He deposed to
having examined the stone broken by Mr McManus and found at least 20 percent
above the gauge.
"Mr
Evans had offered, in order that complainant's labor should not be altogether
in vain, that complainant should take the spreading of the metal and break
the large stones as they turned up. Defendant had offered four shillings
a yard for this work, which Mr Muntz considered not only a fair,
but a high price. Case was dismissed with 15 shillings costs."
Similar
cases brought against J Evans by Peter Dillon, Edmund Maher and Jeremiah
Sullivan were also dismissed." see : http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/g/o/r/Michael-J-Gorey/BOOK-0001/0004-0001.html]
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Jamison
/ Muntz Connections - Will of Mrs Jane Robinson
Jane
Jamison who married T B Muntz was a daughter of Jane nee CARSON,
(died c 1875 Woodend) and John Jamison. The mother of Jane Muntz
left a will from which we can infer she as Mrs Jamison later
married one Robert Robinson who was mentally incapable in 1874.
Mrs Robinson (nee CARSON) left her estate which was 1032 pounds
[ at a time when a house cost about 10 pounds] to her children and her
executors.
Her
children were named John Jamison, William Thomas Jamison of
Jamaica, Agnes Allen, Elizabeth Muntz and Jane Muntz and sons Hugh
Jamison and Carson Robinson - the last two she prepared for
them not to claim their portions of her estate, so I presume she had lost
all contact with them for some years. The executors were son John Jamison
civil engineer of Jeffrey street Kyneton and Thomas Bingham Muntz of 7
High Street Prahran surveyor. So her daughters were "Elizabeth
Muntz" married to Joseph Muntz of Woodend "Little Joe" and
Jane Muntz wife of Thomas B Muntz. [copy of will available on request
to family]
John Jamison |
Alexandra Jamison painting by Josephine Muntz Adams |
Jane
CARSON 's son may be this one? "William Thomas Jamison 1900 Jamaican
Judiciary" - listed as being in Kingston Jamaica see
here
Jane
CARSON named Jane Jamison married a Mr Robinson perhaps this entry in the
mormons LDS files submitted by a member refrers to her? perhaps not -[
handwriting a spelling was unreliable of course in this era]
ROBERT
ROBINSON son of THOMAS JAMESON
Marriage: 06 MAY 1846 Belfast, Antrim, Ireland
to JANE JAMESON
Metcalf
Road Board- , Victoria from -lists
1862
Eastern Division - John Stuart [married to Susan Muntz]
Metcalf
Shire from July 26 th 1865
1867
R. Jamison [NB not Jamieson]
From
Vision and Realisation book - page 690 [ about early
Victorian School]
School
number" 798 Sutton Grange"
On
18th June 1864 Robert Jamison informed the Board of Education that
local residents had decided to establish a Common School at Sutton Grange.
-- ... Plans by architect Thomas [B] Munttz for a new stone building
....and costs granted..."
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Thomas was involved in engineering extensively in early Melbourne. Around 1891, Malvern had a population of 2,900. .. The engineer was Thomas B. Muntz, the valuer William Cruickshank, and the collector of rates Edward S. Yeatman, the health officer Anderson Irwin M.D., and the police magistrate F. A. Hare, the president of the Shire A. E. Clarke. Engineer Muntz had succeeded to the position of F. W. Bull, who resigned office as engineer to the Shire of Malvern on August 28, 1872, to become the Town Clerk of Brighton. Muntz resigned his position on June 21, 1892, |
The stone says Shire of Mc Ivor - bridge ran between this shire and
Metcalf Shire . The " Redesdale Bridge" Date from family. It
was officially opened Jan 1868 This iron lattice girders were salvaged
from Hobsons Bay after the ship "Herald of the Morning" carrying
them from England for another bridge over the Yarra, caught fire and sank.
These girders weighed 2 tons and were transported by train to Kyneton and
then hauled overland.
As shire engineer
c 1860- TB Muntz probably at left as there were no tall Muntz's.
Northern Territory - Surveyor
Muntz or Munz -info found June 2006
from http://www.dpi.nt.gov.au/whatwedo/landinformation/place/register/view.jsp?id=22090
Name Munz Road
- Date Registered 11 May 1994
Munz was first registered as asurveyor in Victoria
in 1912 and was later with the Water and Sewerage Branch at Kyogle, NSW.
Under Gilruth's administration of the Northern Territory in 1913, he joined
the NT Survey Branch and carried out surveys in the Hundred of Strangways
and in the Hundreds of Colton / Howard.
He carried out the majority of section boundary
surveys of the new agricultural blocks in the Hundred of Waterhouse in
the Coomalie area. He carried out a topographic survey east of Powell Creek
in 1915.
Locality - Tortilla
Flats - Coomalie Community Government Council
Origin Munz Road is named in commemoration
of Surveyor Alexander Jamesion Munz (Muntz) who carried out survey
work in this area during 1914, and throughout the Top End between 1913
and 1915.
Munz [ MUNTZ ] joined the Armed Forces in October
1916 "aged 26, Civil Engineer, presbyterian, son of
Edwin parnell Muntz of 44 Winter Street, Malvern "[ Melbourne] along with
JW Mott, WE Bliss, LM Harrod, CB Saunders and A Xuereb from the Survey
Branch.
Munz died at Ryde, NSW, in 1946.
He lived 1915 at Fenwick St, Kew, but in 1931 letter to him from Army
re EG M went to William Jamison Muntz , Shire Engineer, c/o
city hall Frankston.
His
address was Shire offices
from the Ryde Bridge Opening Ceremony booklet.
"Ryde
Council was empowered to construct a bridge and approaches over the Parramatta
River under the Parramatta River Act, 1931. Ryde Council began work on
the bridge in 1933, paying for the cost of construction through the collection
of tolls. Ryde Bridge was completed two years later to a design by the
Department of Main Roads (DMR); W I
Muntz
was the supervising engineer (RTA File 387.1176 Part 1 Bridge over the
Parramatta River at Uhr's Point. General File. 1938-1952, Memo 29/9/1949).
The Premier of NSW, the Hon B S B Stevens, officially opened Ryde Bridge
on 7 December 1935. Other dignitaries present at the opening were W Harrison
(Mayor of Ryde), the Hon E S Spooner MLA (Member for Ryde), as well as
members of the Ryde Squadron Australian Air. Ryde Bridge was designed with
a vertical lift span to allow passing river craft along the Parramatta
River to pass underneath (including ocean going vessels and large sailing
boats). The other option at this crossing would have been a higher bridge,
which, with the extended approaches necessary, would have been very costly."
[ Sands
Directory - 1909 < 1908 | SANDS HOME | 1910 >
SYDNEY
- [ADVERT] ANTHONY HORDERN & SOONS, ONLY UNIVERSAL PROVIDERS,
468
Alb NEWTOWN. Alb NEWTOWN, INCLUDING
SOUTH
KINGSTON. BOUNDED on the north by municipality of Camper-
south by Erskineville and St. Peters; and on the west
down;
on the east by Redfern and Darlington; on the by Petersham
and Marrickville.
Proclaimed a Municipality, 12th December, 1862,.
Clara Street—East side
105 Alice to Camden street
14
Coombes David C.
12
Broughton Ernest A.
10
O'Dell Mrs. M. A.
8 Gibby George
6 Gooding John J.
4 Tubbs Mrs. Grace
2 Harrington Edward
West side
11
Tree William
Off—
Austen Hurben
3
Muntz Thomas C. Is this the same man?
1 Evans Ernest E.
College Street
Camden to Holt street }
He was also thought to be the first president of the Glen Iris cricket club and was certainly involved as a Vice President in 1923-33 as their annual report also gives an obituary to him. [generalities only]
David Muntz of his Muntz Photographic Studios in Glenferried Road Malvern which he bagan around 1898 for about 23 years until his death. Then his daughter Mrs Jean "Florence" Mary Foenander continued running the business until around the 1950s.
Martha Adelaide Jane Jones parents were John Beever (Beaver?) Jones, a railway ganger, and Annie Maria (Batcheldor) Jones. Two persons with these names were married in New York.
JONES,
John Beever CM 498425 Marriage
Spouse:
BATCHELDOR, Annie Maria
Marriage
Place: New York
Reg Year: 1867 Reg State: Victoria
Ref
Number: 3250
JONES,
Martha
Adelaide Jane CM 499048 Marriage
Spouse:
MATSON, James
Marriage
Place: Alexandra
Reg Year: 1886 Reg State: Victoria
Ref
Number: 3888V
MATSON,
Martha Annie CB 1305216 Birth
Father:
James
Mother: Jones Martha Adel
Event Place: Traf
Reg
Year: 1887 Reg State: Victoria
Ref
Number: 15585
MATSON,
James CM 619823 Marriage
Spouse:
JONES, Martha Adelaide Jane
Note: same as above Jones^
Marriage
Place: Alexandra
Reg Year: 1886 Reg State: Victoria
Ref
Number: 3888V
MATSON,
Martha
Adelaide Jane CM 619840 Marriage
Spouse:
MUNTZ, David
Marriage
Place: Fremantle
Reg Year: 1897 Reg State: Western Australia
Ref
Number: 497
Photo
believed to be Flying Officer W. E. Muntz, RAAF Melbourne, Vic. 1944
New shipping
records -2002 - CD - passengers New Zealand
to Vic *
also noted
one Robert Muntz aged 70 sailed "Zephyr"1876 JUN to Vic from NZ [not a
known relative] [VPRO fische 142 p 001]
and
New Zealand
to Vic
Mrs Mrs and
Miss Muntz aged 61, 61, and 25 sailed on the "Westralia" 1920 March
[VPRO fische 381 p 002]
Britain to
Vic
Mr R.H. Muntz
aged 30 sailed on "Omrph" 1902 ? is he a relative? [VPRO f 690 p010]
Internet links
John Monashs web site
"Catani
[Catani, Carlo Giorgio Domenico Enrico (1852-1918). Catani, Reinforced
Concrete and Monash.
Catani
was born in Florence. After studying civil engineering at the Technical
Institute he gained experience in railway construction; then migrated to
New Zealand in 1876. Unable to find work he came to Melbourne, where he
was appointed to the Department of Lands and Survey.] is
known as a colourful character. In 1905 he had evidently teased Shire Engineer
J[ohn]. N[elson]. Muntz who had approached Monash for a Monier Arch bridge
near Ballan. J Monash told Muntz: 'I think Mr Catani's objections
were only a bit of side, and one of the funny little ways he has got'.
When JM learned that the Engineer at Benalla had told Catani about cracks
in the new bridge, Monash warned him that Catani was 'inclined to take
such erratic views'. Catani was amongst those who wanted the Janevale bridge
re-tested after cracks developed there also (1912).
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Engineers of Victoria before the first World War
Muntz - Edward James Engineer at Beaufort 1914. (Neerin Weir
project.)
Muntz - Edwin Parnell Consulting Engineer.
Muntz F. P. Shire Engineer, Merriang. Darraweit Guim Br.
Muntz - Thomas Bingham.
A senior consulting engineer.
Member of a large family of engineers in Victoria.
Arbitrator for the Fyansford Bridge contract.
Designer of the Bendigo Creek Improvement Scheme and friend of M&A.
Fyansford Bridge, Barbers Ck & Wollert Brs, Kings Br, Bendigo.
Michael Muntz the actor is from a Dutch family and not a relative
until we can find how our lot got to Ireland!
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Melbourne University web site has an article on the history of
Longrenong College which mentions Anthony Muntz who is a cousin Horsham
1992, "Several long term staff retired in the early 1990s - Deputy
Principal Edwards, Peter Grenfell, and Tony Muntz."
Family
History
Updated
Jan 2006
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