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Bath & Todd E. Jones presents...
Interview: ATMOSPHERE (SLUG from Atmosphere)
“Why Can’t You Imagine Atmosphere Having Fun?”
An Interview with SLUG (from Atmosphere)
(NOV 2005)
Interview
by Todd E. Jones aka The New Jeru Poet
toddejones@yahoo.com
Would
you love hip-hop if the culture was not fun? Music is a form of
escapism for both the musician and listener. How many times has
something f*cked up happen to you, but you felt just a tiny bit better
when you heard a certain song? Some people (including myself) will dig
deep into their collection because they need to hear a specific track.
Emotionally depressing music and socio-political music can also be
pleasurable. The listener relates to the artist on a physical, mental,
and emotional level. The artists utilize the entire emotional spectrum.
Lovers of hip-hop culture can emotionally, financially, or
philosophically depend on the music. Regardless of the song’s style or
mood, hip-hop music is rooted in a party. The emcees play with words
and rhythmic flows. The producer plays with beats & samples. As
hip-hop groups, these artists “play” their music for the listeners.
Perhaps, we use the word “play” in this context because the listeners
and the artists are having a good time. Would you “throw your hands in
the air and wave them like you just don’t care” if you were not having
fun?
The music of Atmosphere (Slug & Ant) mixes the
darkest emotions with the party energy of hip-hop. If you think
Atmosphere is not having a great f*cking time these days, you do not
know anything about the group. Hailing from Minneapolis (Minnesota),
Atmosphere are one of the most respected and successful groups in
underground / independent hip-hop. Like Gangstarr and Eric B. &
Rakim, the duo consists of one impeccable producer/DJ and a charismatic
emcee. The duo’s magnificent chemistry is showcased when Ant’s
production intertwines with Slug’s vocals. Born from a racially mixed
couple, Slug appears to be a Mid-western white guy who loves music.
Friends and fans know that Slug’s respect for hip-hop pumps through his
veins. He also happens to be a very talented, unique, and successful
emcee. A maelstrom of emotion sweeps through every Atmosphere album.
Furious anger, humble gratitude, love for friends / family, and
bittersweet sadness can all be found in their expressive concoctions.
Slug’s lyrics yield to multiple interpretations, mixed feelings, and
sarcastic & ironic humor. He is having the time of his life while
he follows his dreams. Fortunately, Slug is doing what he loves and
having serious fucking fun!
Atmosphere’s success story is based on creativity, a
shrewd business sense, chemistry, and a fervent work ethic. Originally
consisting of Spawn, Ant, and Slug, Atmosphere released their
“Overcast” LP on their own label, Rhymesayers Entertainment. Spawn
eventually left the group and Slug continued to collaborate with a
myriad of emcees. During 1999, Rhymesayers established Fifth Element,
an independent record store in Minneapolis. Not only did they have a
label to create their records, they had a store where they could sell
the albums. Released with critically acclaim, the “Lucy Ford” CD mixed
2 separate EP’s together (“Lucy” and “Ford”). Once they released the
classic “God Loves Ugly” LP, Atmosphere’s respect was cemented within
hip-hop. Songs like “Modern Man’s Hustle”, “F*ck You Lucy”, “Vampires”,
and “Flesh” all possessed a signature style. Slug’s introspective
lyrics led to multiple interpretations. Ant’s soulful production was
accessible but also unique. Listeners found something new every time
they replayed their music. The “Sad Clown Bad Dub” DVD documented their
successful tour across America (for the “God Loves Ugly” release
parties). Slug also teamed up with Murs to release a side project
called Felt. Produced by The Grouch, Felt’s “A Tribute To Christina
Ricci” possessed a party vibe, in contrast to the darker feelings
created by Atmosphere albums. Slug’s balanced diversity proved his
maturity as an emcee. Simultaneously, Rhymesayers grew when they
released the classic M.I.C. (Monsta Island Czars) “Escape From Monsta
Island” LP (featuring MF Doom & MF Grimm’s super group). After
years of touring, Atmosphere released another classic LP, “Seven’s
Travels” (Rhymesayers / Epitaph). Songs like “Reflections”, “Trying To
Find A Balance”, and “National Disgrace” showcased their musical and
lyrical growth. The original fans were happy when Rhymesayers released
“Headshots: Seven”. The CD was a collection of songs recorded on a
4-track between 1997 and 1998. In 2005, Murs and Slug teamed up again
for Felt #2 “A Tribute To Lisa Bonet”. Produced by Ant, the Felt #2
project maintained the party vibe of their previous effort. Songs like
“Woman Tonight”, “Dirty Girl”, “The Biggest Lie”, and “Employees Of The
Year” were fun, but still rooted within an emotional honesty.
At the tail end of 2005, Atmosphere returns with
“You Can’t Imagine How Much Fun We’re Having”. Slug and Ant have made
an incomparable album that does not include one filler track. The duo’s
growth is evident within every song. Slug is more focused and precise
with his performance. Ant has created up-tempo rhythms with thick
boom-bap beats. Although the music possesses an upbeat party-like
energy (inspired by mid-90’s hip-hop), Slug’s performance remains
poignantly astute and wickedly clever. “Watch Out” is a cunning
statement about the typical independent / underground hip-hop fan. On
the poignant track “That Night”, Slug rhymes about a true incident when
a fan was raped and murdered at an Atmosphere show. In the
introspective track “Little Man”, Slug’s verses are written as letters
to various important people in his life. The first verse is to his son
and the final verse is to himself. The instantly appealing, “Smart Went
Crazy” works perfectly even though the subject is not obvious. Sine
fans thought Atmosphere could not top “Seven’s Travels”. Atmosphere has
done the impossible. They have made another classic LP.
Music has saved many lives. Every emcee uses music
for lyrical & emotional communication. Slug has not only has used
music to survive, Slug also uses hip-hop as a form of therapy. His dark
emotions and showcased vulnerability entertains listeners. Even though
hip-hop music was born in poverty, those people within the culture
wanted to have a good time. Slug may create emotional music, but he
still wants to party. The group have released classic albums, worked on
multiple collaborations, toured the world, and maintained creative
control of their music. How the hell can you think Atmosphere is not
having a good time?
T.JONES:
“What goes on?”
SLUG: “What’s up, homie?”
T.JONES: “These days, Atmosphere is getting very popular and much more exposure.”
SLUG: “I don’t even know if that is what you would call it. We are
accumulating attachments, is what it is. These aren’t fans, they are
girlfriends. You know what I mean?”
T.JONES: “I must say that the new album is excellent! I thought
‘Seven’s Travels’ was dope too. Usually groups do not maintain the same
level of quality, but ‘You Can’t Imagine How Much Fun We’re Having’ is
dope.”
SLUG: “Thanks, man. That means a lot since you are from New Jersey!
This is New Jersey saying that, so you know you are making me feel
good. The New Jersey thing is a cut. That’s serious. For me, growing up
in Minneapolis, I look at the East Coast as the hip-hop Mecca. Just to
see the kind of support we get from the East Coast, as well as L.A.,
blows my fucking mind. How the fuck did they get into this?”
T.JONES: “C Rayz Walz is friend of mine and a dope emcee. He was on the
‘Sad Clown Bad Dub’ DVD. That proves that you have got love on the East
Coast.”
SLUG: “I got co-signed by C Rayz Walz! You know, the advocates and the
fans, who don’t even walk around with these rappers, pigeonhole me as
that guy who makes that soft shit or whatever. It’s funny to me because
I’ll get into an argument. They’ll come to my in-store or my show and
say, ‘I used to like your shit.’ In my head, I would think, ‘You just paid $15 to see me and you don’t like my shit no more?’
Hey, that’s cool. It’s part of their identity search. Ask them who they
favorite rapper is. They’re favorite rapper was probably at my house 2
weeks ago. At one point, I was insecure about how I stood amongst the
rest of these emcees. You know, there’s that emcee thing where you want
to impress other rappers first. It reached a point. C Rayz probably
doesn’t bump my record. I listen to his on occasion, but I don’t roll
around the street bumping his. Both of us are bumping old Jungle
Brothers music. I’m learning a lot from this shit. I just hope someday,
someway, somehow, I’ll be able to apply all this shit to something.”
T.JONES: “Rhymesayers just released the new Atmosphere album, ‘You
Can’t Imagine How Much Fun We’re Having’. Tell us about the new LP.”
SLUG: “It’s the new record, man. A lot of people are telling us that
they really like it. To me, it’s probably the record that had the least
amount of problems to make.”
T.JONES: “The album does flow with an ease.”
SLUG: “Thanks. It kind of made itself. I finally think that me and Ant
reached a place where we both accept the fact that this is what we do.
We don’t have to worry about doing a good job this time. This is what
we do. We made it right on the tail end of Felt #2. We made Felt #2
with Murs. When Murs flew home, me & Ant stayed in the studio and
started this album immediately. I was in the studio for about a month
and a half between the 2 records. It seems like all of the energy I put
into the Felt #2 record was basically depleted in me. I depleted that
type of energy with the sex rhymes and party shit. When we started the
Atmosphere record, it was almost like a hangover. We had so much fun
making the 2nd Felt record, this Atmosphere record was like the day
after. In a weird way, when I hear some of it, I think it feels like
the day after you did a bunch of drugs. It’s that day that you are
sitting there on your couch, the shades are pulled down, you are still
taking it in, and saying, ‘Damn! I partied too hard last night!’”
T.JONES: “What is the meaning behind the title, ‘You Can’t Imagine How Much Fun We’re Having’?”
SLUG: “Actually, I chose the title because I have been pigeonholed as
this guy, who because of the songs I make, you may think I am this
brooding upset dude with issues. They think I am the due who doesn’t
like men or women. Like I say, ‘Get away from me!’
They think I’m just sitting here, observing all of you assholes. People
get really surprised when they see how happy I really am. They see that
I can be a fun dude when you put a couple of beers in me. The irony of
the title is that there is no irony in the title. That was really what
me and Ant were doing. Even though the songs don’t seem like we’re
having fun, you can truly not begin to think of how much fun this
really is. We are having the time of our fucking lives! I used to be a
courier, dude!”
T.JONES: “How do you think ‘You Can’t Imagine How Much Fun We’re Having’ different from ‘Seven’s Travels’?”
SLUG: “Both of them, to me, are concept albums, even though nobody gets
the concepts. They are the same concept. Here’s a look into or a few
more chapters of what the hell I’ve been doing or thinking about.
For ‘Seven’s Travels’, my dumb ass thought that I would make an album
about touring. I didn’t stop to think that most of the kids that listen
to these records don’t know shit about touring. How the fuck are they
supposed to relate to any of this shit? I guess it didn’t matter
because I felt that I needed to make that album. Not only that but,
touring had become such a big part of my life, what the fuck else am I
supposed to write about?”
T.JONES: “Everybody does travel in some way and ‘Seven’s Travels’ is a good record to travel with.”
SLUG: “That’s true. I kind of hope that is the bond that allows cats to
get it. Also, just for my own benefit, I try to keep my raps not so
obvious so I don’t get bored. I have concepts inside Twinkies, inside
this and that.”
T.JONES: “On the new album, which song took you the longest to do from conception to completion? Why?”
SLUG: “The song, ‘Pour Me Another’ on the new record, took the longest
to do. That was the hardest for me to bite into because it had such a
‘God Loves Ugly’ feel to it. The mood of the song is very similar to
the song, ‘Fuck You Lucy’ (from ‘God Loves Ugly’). The mood is so
similar that I heard people tell me that we used the same beat! No! We
didn’t use the same beat! But, the mood is so similar that people
immediately put them together. I think ‘Pour Me Another’ was the
hardest to do because the 4-track version of that song was done
incredibly well. It captured the moment so good the first time. It
captured the mood so good the first time that, when I tried to recreate
it in the studio, I thought I was trying too hard.”
T.JONES: “Do you find that the 4-track demos are often better than the final results created in the recording studio?”
SLUG: “For the first couple of records, yeah. For ‘Overcast’ and ‘Lucy
Ford’, definitely, because I didn’t quite learn how to. Now, I take the
4-track version and find the flaws and problems. I still have an okay
time re-creating the mood. I usually create it better just because the
song had a chance to breathe, have it’s own life, and have it’s own
meaning to me.”
T.JONES: “IS that also the case with songs that you perform live?”
SLUG: “Yeah, it’s just like performing it live. Honestly, live, to me,
are my favorite versions of any of these songs. I love the live version
of ‘Panic Attack’. I also love the way the mic sounds on the studio
version. That is a sound you cannot usually get live, unless you use
that real cheap plastic microphone. Just audio wise, there are certain
situations where live songs do not come across as good. But, as far as
feeling wise, live versions are always the best for me.”
T.JONES: “In the song ‘Watch Out’, you say, ‘They don’t want to see you
climb out of the underground.’ Atmosphere has been getting more
exposure & fans throughout the last couple of years. Have you
received some criticism from those dedicated to the ‘underground'?”
SLUG: “It’s very common. There is always this kid who says that they
used to love us for ‘Overcast’ and ‘Lucy Ford’. We used to be their
special secret. Now, they think suburban girls know about us and it
ain’t cool. Are you serious? Come to my shows! Wouldn’t you rather come
to a show that has a lot of girls at it than a show with a whole bunch
of dudes? I throw that at the identity search of the American fucking
teenager. Between the ages of 16 and 24, you will define yourself by
what you hate, most of the time. That is how you find your like-minded
peers and friends. ‘I hate that shit!’, someone says. Another says, ‘I hate it too. Let’s go over here and talk about how much we fucking can’t stand this’.”
T.JONES: “You know what, the Nazis grew that way.”
SLUG: “Yo! I didn’t put that together, but that’s true. Here we go,
backpacker rap Nazi! I understand growing up and hating shit When I was
a kid, I was mad at L.L. Cool J when ‘Walking With A Panther’ came out.
‘I’m the type of guy…’ I
didn’t give a fuck about all of that shit. I was mad! Now, as an older
and more mature adult, I see the forest through the trees. It’s
important, man. Hopefully, kids go through that little phase of hate
until they figure out that it is not what life is all about. They’ll
blossom, like the rest of us hopefully will. In the end, it’s just
music, man. It’s just music, movies, books, and all of this shit. The
other catch to it is, that it’s not even the have-nots that do that.
The have-nots do not even get a chance to go out on an identity search.
The urban, non-white kids, who are 16 years old, do not have the
Internet in their homes for the most part.”
T.JONES: “Yeah, they are busy struggling to go on an identity search.”
SLUG: “Yeah! They’re busy struggling. They have to go get jobs or
hustles. Over here in the burbs, their only struggle is basically
against their parents or something. It’s almost like they want to rebel
against the fact that they are coming from a family that has things.
Those kids go out and try to shed that in order to find out who they
really are. They do it through art. They do it through music, books,
and whatever. If you can’t at least respect the fact that you are in a
position to be on an identity search, you are already missing what the
identity search is all about. I see why those kids reach a point that
they think a group is not cool when everybody knows about the group.
These kids don’t want to be identified as part of the masses. They see
my video on MTV2 and immediately think that I am Kanye West. They don’t
realize that Kanye West is selling 2 million records while I’m lucky if
I break 100,000.”
T.JONES: “Some people think that since you have an album, you have tons
of money. Many of these emcees who I interview, have full time jobs
that have nothing to do with hip-hop, except for the fact that they are
supporting themselves so that they can do hip-hop.”
SLUG: “It’s funny because people look at me and say, ‘You get to do what you love and don’t have a full time job!’ I look at them and say, ‘Dog, are you serious?’”
T.JONES: “Shit, this is a lifetime job.”
SLUG: “Yes! This is a lifetime job! I don’t get to punch out. It’s not
even just the rap shit. I’m taking the little bit of money I make, the
little bit of scratch I get, and put it into the record store. That’s
another thing I have to pay attention to. Shit! It was easier being a
courier.”
T.JONES: “When creating a track, do you have pre-written lyrics or a set theme? Or, do you write to the music?”
SLUG: “We start in Ant’s basement on the 4-track. I write stuff on my
own sometimes. Other times, he’ll give me a beat and I’ll write to it.
We don’t really have a real pattern or standard equation. It kind of
just happens how it happens. The only thing that is common over time is
that we are not really looking for the fly shit. We’ve never been
looking for the fly shit. We always look for moods. For me and him,
that’s how we live. We live off of moods. We don’t live off of things
like, ‘This is my joint! Turn it up!’
I’m in a certain mood to listen to this record, so I dig that record
out and play it right now. That’s how we look at our songs. If the mood
of my lyrics matches the mood of his music, then we agree that is the
song. Whether the song is great or not doesn’t matter, we’ll make it.
Later on, we’ll decide what songs go on the record. Essentially, there
is not a pattern to how we do it, except for the fact we look for
moods.”
T.JONES: “How did you meet Ant and decide to form Atmosphere? Was there a philosophy behind the group?”
SLUG: “We met through a rapper, who used to call himself Beyond. Now,
he’s Musab. I met Musab when he was in a group called Labyrinth. I was
at a party and they were there. He was tight. His homies were okay, but
they were nice dudes. I started kicking it with them. They were in St.
Paul and I lived in Minneapolis, which is across the river. I started
going to chill out over their house. We would drink beer, smoke weed,
and do all of that shit that aspiring rappers do. Eventually, Musab
became my weed dealer. One day, when he was dropping off some weed to
me, he said, ‘Dude, come over to Ant’s house with me and make a joint.’
I was with making a song with him. We went over there and made this
really horrible song that was on this ‘I kick a verse and you kick a
verse’ rap shit. Then, Musab wanted me to get on the chorus for this
song called, ‘Black Culture’. I asked, ‘Are you sure that you want me to do the chorus to a song called Black Culture?’ He was like, ‘You’re Black to me.’
At that point, he knew who my family was. He has seen my father and
wasn’t on some funny shit. I wanted to do it. I was honored. That was
kind of the beginning. I did the hook for ‘Black Culture’ and Ant told
me, ‘You have a horrible voice, but you know how to use it.’
I didn’t know what he meant by that. I thought he was saying that I
couldn’t rap. He thought that I had lyrics, but a whiney voice. I did
at the time too. Ant thought that I had a way to use my whiney voice to
my advantage.”
T.JONES: “Previously, Atmosphere had more members. How did the group form?”
SLUG: “I was rapping with this kid named Spawn. The two of us were in
Atmosphere. We used to make our own beats. When me and Spawn would make
beats for ourselves, it would take us a year to complete 3 fucking
songs because we were lazy. At Ant’s house, I watched Musab and Ant
knock out 10 songs in one fucking night! That was what Spawn and I
should have been doing. I brought Spawn over and told him, ‘This dude told us that he could rap over his beats!’
We went over there that night and pretty much made a whole record. I
thought that this was how it was supposed to be! Prolific! Even if all
15 of these songs are garbage, it didn’t matter because we were
learning how to make songs.”
T.JONES: “How did Ant’s contribution help you as an emcee?”
SLUG: “The real deal was, before Ant made ‘Overcast’ with us, we made
about 150 songs before we even allowed ourselves to make a record. I
think that is something Ant does to the emcee. It’s the way that he
works with the emcee. He taught us how to practice making songs, so
when it is time to really make a song, you have a little bit of
knowledge of how to structure it, and so on. You know, most rappers
don’t even know how to count bars until they get out of the independent
game. In Ant’s own way, he produced me for real! He was not just a
producer who just makes the beat. He is a Dr. Dre-like producer. He
gives the rapper direction. Quite honestly, until then, I sounded like
a bad lovechild between Krs-One and Del. I had a whiney voice. It was
Ant who taught me how to do this and be comfortable with my own voice.”
T.JONES: “Why did Spawn leave Atmosphere? Are you still cool with Spawn? Will you work together again?”
SLUG: “Yeah, we’re still cool. He still makes music. It was one of
those things. It wasn’t a matter of personal stuff. We did not split up
because we didn’t like each other or talent. It was a matter of drive.
He went and got married. He was talking about moving to Houston, Texas
with his wife. That was where his wife was from. How could we tour as a
rap group when you are in Houston? He couldn’t tour like that. He had a
full time gig. He was a little bit older than me. We’re looking at a 28
or 29 year old man who was being asked to start up a rap career as if
he was 19. He already had a life put together. I was like 25 or 26 at
the time. Even for me, it was hard to get props outside of my city. I
was like, ‘Fuck this!’ I
wanted to do it. I couldn’t be a courier forever. I had dreams to
chase. He still raps, but he raps the same way he rapped as an amateur.
You know, he never did move to Houston either. He stayed in
Minneapolis. He does local shows, but he doesn’t want to give up his
life to do it, whereas I sacrificed everything to do this shit.”
T.JONES: “Hip-hop became your life.”
SLUG: “Yes, it became my life. Honestly, you know what? In the end, I may look at his shit and say, ‘You did it right, dog!’
My man has a good life. He has a wife, kids, good dog, and a good
house. Here I am living out of a goddamn suitcase for 8 months out of
the year. I can’t maintain a relationship with a girlfriend. I have an
11 year old, who understands everything now, but when he was 6, it was
rough.”
T.JONES: “The song, ‘That Night’ is an emotional track about your
response to the tragedy of a fan being raped and murdered at your show.
What actually happened? Emotionally, how difficult was it for you to
create this song?”
SLUG: “Yeah, that actually happened. It was weird how that song came about. Ant made this beat for me. I said, ‘Dude!
The beat is fresh, but it is a little fast. With that kind of speed, it
sounds like it is supposed to be on this rah-rah party shit but it is
too sad or brooding to do that.’ Ant was like, ‘You have to write a song about something you are not supposed to write a song about.’
I thought about what I was not supposed to write a song about. That was
what I came up with. I guess that was an exercise for me. Maybe, Ant
wanted to see if I could really push myself to go there. The people in
my life saw how big an effect that incident had on me. That incident
altered me and a lot of the things that I was doing in my life. It
altered a lot of the things that I stood for, the way that I was
treating myself, women, and fans. It altered my self-medicating
patterns. In the end, I’m glad anybody likes the song. It’s a hard song
for me. When I listen to the album, I skip that track and I doubt that
I’ll ever perform that song live.”
T.JONES: “You are in a side-project with Murs called Felt. Grouch
produced the entire first Felt EP (‘A Tribute To Christina Ricci’), but
Ant produced Felt #2 (‘A Tribute To Lisa Bonet’). Why did this happen?”
SLUG: “When Murs and I decided to do Felt, from the beginning, we
decided to use different producers for each album. It was always going
to me and him. It’s our project. Whoever we decide to put down with it,
we will. It is what it is.”
T.JONES: “Will there be a Felt #3?”
SLUG: “I would like to see one happen, but it will have to happen
naturally. We didn’t plan Felt #1 or Felt #2. They both happened
because both of us needed a vacation. We were like, ‘Can I hang out in your city for 2 weeks?’”
T.JONES: “Did you ever hear the band, Felt? There was another band named Felt.
They were from Europe, signed to Cherry Red Records, and led by an
artist named Lawrence.”
SLUG: “Nah. Oh, really?”
T.JONES: “For your current live shows, you are performing with a live
band. Was this a difficult adjustment? What are some major differences
performing with a band as opposed to a DJ?”
SLUG: “We have a band and a DJ. I’ve got Ant with me. It was real
different, man. I spent 4 months with them in a practice space for
pretty much 5 nights a week, just to learn it. I have played with bands
before, but it was more of a novelty thing. They had to learn my beat.
But, with these guys, we went and deconstructed the Atmosphere songs.
We brought in the songs that Ant actually took the samples from. For
example, we incorporated parts of ‘Woman With The Tattooed Hands’ that
are not in the album version, but are in the original song. When you do
a band thing, you have to be careful. Whenever I watch rappers with
bands, it goes 2 ways. Either they try to be The Roots or they sound
like a hippie jam band. I couldn’t fuck with either. I tried to go with
something that was actually based on some straight up soul. I didn’t
want some virtuoso noodling or ‘I’m so good at my guitar’ bullshit. So, I think we did it right. Most of the people who come, my real friends go, ‘Man, I was nervous at first and didn’t think you would pull it off but it is actually fresh!’
It’s very different. In the end, it could probably be a project that I
can keep working on that may not even be a rap project. They are
teaching me things, music things. They are teaching me how to use my
voice in a way that I never got to fuck with in rap. It is still such a
big, open thing to me. I don’t even know what to make of it. The human
factor is ill. Having to depend on so many people to come through is
the shit. I’m into it. Everyday, there are mistakes made that become
part of it. I’m into that.”
T.JONES: “Do you think success and credibility are mutually exclusive?”
SLUG: “Nah, I don’t think that is necessarily true because I see people
who seem to be successful and credible in rap. I look at Outkast, Busta
Rhymes, and Ludacris. I even look at Eminem now. He pretty much
substantiated his credibility. The people who want to discredit Eminem
are on some dumb shit. They are mad at the homophobia or misogyny. As
far as actual artistry, he’s dope. There’s no way you can take it away
from him. I may not listen to his record or that kind of shit.”
T.JONES: “Skill respects skill.”
SLUG: “Skill respects skill, yeah. Redman is successful and credible. I
don’t think they are mutually exclusive. I think the problem is that
people get too hung up on one or the other. I have friends back home
who are in these punk bands. They are bitter mad because they are now
33. They have been following this punk wave for so long. They never got
successful because they were so worried about people taking away their
credibility. I’m like, ‘You worry too much about that.’
There are other people who are so worried about success that they lost
their credibility. I think that you just have to be yourself and not
worry about either. If it comes to you, it comes to you. You can’t
really control your credibility and you can’t really control your
success. You can only control yourself and that’s it.”
T.JONES: “What LPs have you been listening to in the last 3 days? In
one of the tracks, you rhyme about a girl who introduces you to new
music. Who are some artists you have recently discovered?”
SLUG: “I just rediscovered a band called Talk Talk. Ah! What’s the name
of the record that I like? There’s a song on there called ‘Ascension
Day’. If you can find that record, that whole record from front to back
is amazing! It sounds like some Peter Gabriel meets Portishead meets
fucking I don’t even know what. I’m super into it. I still listen to
the Spoon record that came out a month ago. As far as rap goes, I
listen to everybody once or twice just to study. I haven’t been to into
bumping anything that was made after 1993.”
T.JONES: “Who are some artists or producers you would like to collaborate with in the future?”
SLUG: “I don’t really have a wish list anymore. I used to want to work
with this guy and want to work with that guy. I pretty much covered the
basics on who I wanted to work with. Also, as I have gotten older, I
have refined my ideas about working with other artists. Nowadays, I
won’t work with anybody just for money. I won’t work with anybody just
because their famous. I won’t even work with anybody just because
they’re dope. My rule now is that I only work with friends. Even if my
friend isn’t that tight, I would rather make a song with my friend than
make a song with the dopest rapper in the world, who I don’t know. The
song with the rapper I don’t know would sound like a fake collaboration
for starters. Also, I don’t want to make a song with you and find out
later that you beat your wife, kicked puppies, or some shit. I just
don’t want to work with assholes. I don’t want that on my resume.”
T.JONES: “Word association. When I say a name of a name, you say the
first word that pops into your head. So, if I said, ‘Flava Flav', you
may say ‘Clock’, ‘Crack’, or ‘The Surreal Life’. Okay?”
SLUG: “Okay. I’m not that good at this, but I’ll try.”
T.JONES: “Murs.”
SLUG: “White girls.”
T.JONES: “Dead Prez.”
SLUG: “The realness.”
T.JONES: “Happy Mondays.”
SLUG: “I don’t know. M&M’s. Something about the band Happy Mondays
always reminded me of Skittles and M&M’s. I don’t know why. I
wonder if they had a real colorful video at one time.”
T.JONES: “Necro.”
SLUG: “Hubcaps.”
T.JONES: “Public Enemy.”
SLUG: “Chuck D.”
T.JONES: “Phife Dawg.”
SLUG: “Wack.”
T.JONES: “Curtis Mayfield.”
SLUG: “The shit.”
T.JONES: “George Bush.”
SLUG: “(Wack)… in parenthesis.”
T.JONES: “Do you think hip-hop has become too focused on what place the emcee represents?”
SLUG: “I don’t know if it is too focused on that. I’m actually kind of
excited that the rules of hip-hop, that were established years ago, are
still in place in most areas. There is a rule to make people have a
good time and forget about their problems. I might add that the
back-packers don’t know how to do that. People like me, Aesop, Mr. Lif,
and Murs, just remind you of your problems. You have mainstream guys,
like Ludacris and 50 Cent, who put shit out that makes you forget about
your problems. I have to appreciate that. I have to respect that. To
me, in my mind and vision, hip-hop began in some basement of some
burned out building in the Bronx. Those people weren’t there to listen
to somebody woe over a woman. They were there to fucking throw their
hands in the air and forget about their light bill. As far as take your
boys with you, that rule is still in place. Represent where you are
from is also a rule that is still in place. I’m always going to embrace
those three rules. Without them, I don’t know if hip-hop would have
made it here. I don’t know if it would have made it as far as it made
it.”
T.JONES: “What are some major misconceptions do you think people have of you?”
SLUG: “Just that we are upset and whiney. Yeah, some of the music is
like that. People seem to relate to that. Yeah, that’s good for them
and it is a bit of a catharsis for me to get shit out. But, in the end,
I’m a happy dude, man. I know it sounds corny, but it’s the truth. I’m
a happy dude.”
T.JONES: “Around what time in your career did you and Rhymesayers start to financially survive from hip-hop?”
SLUG: “I quit working for other people and became self-employed in the
year 2000. That was because we took every damn dime I made and opened
up a record store. We weren’t living off of what we were making. We all
had hustles, all legal hustles, but unethical. I’ve been working record
retail for so long that I had a couple of industry scams. I was making
about $1,200 to $2,000 a month from it. So, I was able to quit my job
and go full time with this. I consider that self-employment. Granted,
the money wasn’t coming directly to me because of rap. I was making
money off of record label people and this and that. I was doing stupid
little promo hustles, helping reps, and this or that. It was around
2000. That’s when we opened the store. I didn’t have to live off of the
rap money I was making. I was able to take all of the rap money and
keep flipping it on top of itself.”
T.JONES: “What’s next for Atmosphere (Ant & Slug)?”
SLUG: “I’ve been working on a new project that has been all just in
writing right now. We haven’t started to put beats to it yet, but when
we get off this tour, we will. We’ll go home and start working on the
new record. I don’t know yet what to say about it because it is still
so early. There will probably be another record in us within a year and
half.”
T.JONES: “Any collaborations?”
SLUG: “I’ve been trying to track down Tom Waits. I know his son. I
would like to sit down and have lunch with Tom. We could sit down and
see if we get along. Maybe, if not collaborating, we may discuss some
kind of conceptual collaboration that neither of us actually performs,
but one that we both help orchestrate. I know some of the people he
knows and I know some of the people he needs to know. I really think
there is room to get a ‘Storytellers’ thing going on.”
T.JONES: “Any final words?”
SLUG: “Eat your vegetables and wear your seatbelts.”
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MP3
“20 Answers” – FELT (Slug & Murs)
“Dirty Girl” – FELT (Slug & Murs)
“Watch Out” - ATMOSPHERE
REAL AUDIO:
“Watch Out” - ATMOSPHERE
“Smart Went Crazy” - ATMOSPHERE
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