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Endorphin Bath & Todd E. Jones presents...
by Todd E. Jones aka The New Jeru Poet |
Philly’s own, Jedi Mind Tricks, have been rocking crowds and making aggressive hip-hop since for more than a decade. Since the 80’s, Vinnie Paz (aka Ikon The Verbal Hologram), Jus Allah (aka Megatron) and Stoupe have had hip-hop pumping through their veins. Their last two albums “The Psycho-Social, Chemical, Biological, and Electro-Magnetic Manipulation of Human Consciousness” and “Violent By Design” have been critically acclaimed and have become underground favorites by many. In the past, Jedi Mind Tricks have collaborated with Esoteric, Bahamadia, Tragedy Khadafi, Louis Logic, Mr. Len, and many others. Vinnie Paz’s delivery, lyrics and flow show his ill mentality and all the hunger of artists like M.O.P. and Necro. The beats of JMT were always something that shined. Production-wise, Stoupe has the precision of Premier, the melody innovation of Kanye West, the thickness of Pete Rock, and the grit of Rza. Stoupe’s production work is so well respected that Canibus and him made an entire concept album where Canibus was the only one to rock the mic on the album and Stoupe was the only producer. “Rip The Jacker” is the best Canibus album to date and Stoupe’s production is one of the main reasons. Jus Allah (aka Megatron) left the group on so-called amicable terms but the rest Jedi Mind Tricks claimed that Jus Allah was airing his dirty laundry in public and telling lies about the remaining members. Jedi Mind Tricks continued on as a duo. In 2003, Jedi Mind Tricks released “Visions Of Gandhi” on Babygrande Records. “Visions Of Gandhi” is a hard-hitting album with an apocalyptic sound in the production, ill vocal samples, precise scratching, and raw, brain ripping rhymes. Guests include Ras Kass, Canibus, Non-Phixion, Kool G Rap, and others. On an autumn evening in 2003, I had a long and personal conversation with Vinnie Paz, the lone emcee of Jedi Mind Tricks. We discussed the record industry, Star Wars, Jus Allah, hip-hop, lyricism, emcees, and much more. In these trying times of terrorism, war, recession, and anger, Jedi Mind Tricks tell us that we need a new vision of hope. Leaders like Martin Luther King and Gandhi are all gone. Through hip-hop, perhaps we could be connected by sound. Vinnie Paz and Stoupe of Jedi Mind Tricks are searching for a vision of hope through hip-hop.
T.JONES: “What
goes
on?”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Chilling,
dog, just chilling.”
T.JONES: “The new
album is called ‘Visions Of Gandhi’. Tell us about it?”
VINNIE PAZ: “There
are 17 cuts and 3 bonus cuts. We’ve been working on it for like 3
years.
We got a lot of great guests on there like Canibus, Kool G Rap, Ras
Kass,
Non-Phixion. We just wanted to make another raw album.”
T.JONES: “What is
the meaning behind the title ‘Visions Of Gandhi’?”
VINNIE PAZ: “It
just applies to the state of the world today. Between what is going on
in Iraq and Mumia being locked up unjustly, things going on in Israel,
Palestine, we don’t really have anyone right now like Gandhi. We don’t
have anyone like Martin Luther King or Malcolm X anymore. It’s really a
reference to a vision of hope, like someone like Gandhi.”
T.JONES: “How did
you get involved with Babygrande?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Chuck
Wilson is the owner of Babygrande. He was working from Priority
Records.
We were going to sign to Priority. He flew out to one of our shows in
L.A.
We started a relationship. We were about to make a move over there.
Priority
merges with Capitol so, he left and started Babygrande. We stayed with
him. We had a handshake deal.”
T.JONES: “When
did
you first begin rhyming?”
VINNIE PAZ: “88.
I was 11 years old.”
T.JONES: “How did
you meet Stoupe and form Jedi Mind Tricks?”
VINNIE PAZ: “We
met through a mutual friend. Stoupe is actually from North Philly and
I’m
from South Philly. We had a mutual high school friend who told us about
each other. Before there were tons of white emcees, it was hard to get
into the game back then in 1991. We just hooked up from there. We
started
doing demos 12 years ago.”
T.JONES: “What
was
the first hip-hop song you fell in love with?”
VINNIE PAZ: “That’s
a good question, man. Probably ‘This Cut’s Got Flavor’ by Latee. It was
the first song that made me want to do this. I have been exposed to
hip-hop
before that but that was the first song that made think that this is
what
I wanted to do with my life.”
T.JONES: “What
happened
to Jus Allah?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I don’t
know man. We had this talk back and forth. He didn’t know if he wanted
to stay in the group or what to do with his career. I was trying to
convince
him otherwise. We were about to sign with Babygrande. We had a phone
conversation
where he basically said, ‘I don’t know if I’m gonna do it’. I was like
‘If you can’t do it, you can’t do it, but we have to go on without
you’.
The conversation ended peacefully. Within a month or two later, he was
talking sh*t about us. He just did his dirt. To answer the question, I
really don’t know what happened to him?”
T.JONES: “Do you
think Jus Allah and you will ever work together in the future again?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I mean,
me and Stoupe basically handled the whole situation as classy as we
could.
The thing is, he said a lot of f*cked up things and lied about a lot of
things. Before I would ever work with him again, he would have to be a
man and apologize for the sh*t that he did because it was wrong. That’s
something he has to do and not me. We’re moving on regardless.”
T.JONES: “Jedi
Mind
Tricks and Canibus have formed a successful and potent relationship.
Stoupe
produced the entire ‘Rip The Jacker’ album, which is incredible. JMT
were
on the ‘Mic Club’ album. How did you guys hook up and what were those
collaborations
like?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Well,
obviously, I was always a huge fan of Canibus for his work on
mix-tapes.
He hollered at us to a joint with him for his ‘Mic Club’ album. Chuck
Wilson
and his manager. Louis Lombard too. The joint on the ‘Mic Club’ album
went
real well. He’s a real intelligent guy, a good guy. It was a pleasure
to
work with him. On the strength of that song, we decided to work
together
more. He did a joint ‘Tibetan Black Magicians’ on our ‘Visions Of
Gandhi’
album. His manager and Chuck hooked up the whole ‘Rip The Jacker’
thing.
Basically, the collaborations all came about because we dug each
other’s
work.”
T.JONES: “Out of
all the collaborations you did, which one are you most proud of?”
VINNIE PAZ: “From
a personal standpoint, it has to be Kool G Rap with ‘Animal Rap’
because
he’s my favorite emcee of all time. I happen to think that he is the
best
emcee of all time. It was just an honor to work with him because he had
so much of an influence on who I am as an emcee and who I am as a
person
and who I am as an artist. Since 86, I have been listening to him.
That’s
17 years ago. So, basically, I got a chance to work with someone who I
have been a fan of for 17 years. He’s a living legend and that’s the
collabo
that I am most proud of.”
T.JONES: “Do you
go into the studio with pre-written rhymes, lyrics and themes or do you
hear the beat first and write then and there?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Well,
before we go into the studio, me and Stoupe have a lot of
pre-production
ideas. So, he’ll make beats at the crib and he’ll say ‘Yo, I got some
hot
sh*t! Come over!’ I will come over, peep the sh*t, sift through it.
It’s
all dope so we have to figure out what the best is. I usually take it
home
and write it. After that, we go into the studio with a pretty much laid
out idea of what the song is. Most of the songs are put together in our
head before we go into the studio.”
T.JONES: “What
are
some of your major influences?”
VINNIE PAZ: “The
biggest influence on me rhyme wise is Kool G Rap. I also loved Big
Punisher.
He was a legend. Big L, Nas. The old cats like Chuck D and X-Clan.
That’s
the sh*t I grew up with.”
T.JONES: “What
emcee/group
would you like to collaborate with in the future?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Kool
G Rap was the pinnacle. Now that we did that, it’s hard to say. It’s
hard
to top. Big L, one of my all time favorite emcees, past away. Now, I’m
feeling M.O.P. A collabo with M.O.P. will be real violent.”
T.JONES: “What
producer
would you like to collaborate with in the future?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Large
Professor because he has so many classics under his belt. ‘Breaking
Atoms’
and Akinyele's records. I loved his production with Nas.”
T.JONES: “Since
you
are a white emcee, do you encounter racism or prejudice often?”
VINNIE PAZ: “There
are a lot of white kids trying to rhyme now but being that I have been
in the game and have been going to shows in Philly since the mid-80’s,
no one f*cked with me. In those early shows in the 80’s, if you were
the
only white cat there, no one would f*ck with you because they knew that
you had to be real if you were there. It was almost like a level of
respect.
I saw Big Daddy Kane in 88 when he was doing ‘Long Live The Kane’ and
3rd
Base was doing the ‘Cactus Album’ and there were no white motherf*ckers
there. It was all Black. There was a level of respect because if you
had
the balls to be there, heads respected that. Now, it’s not really
something
that comes up often because between Stoupe being Puerto Rican and all
of
my clique is Puerto Rican and Latin, I feel that a lot of times heads
think
that I’m Puerto Rican, especially when we are all out together. Either
that, or they just know.”
T.JONES:
“Abortion
– pro-choice or pro-life?”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Pro-choice.”
T.JONES: “Death
Penalty
– For or against?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I’m
against it.”
T.JONES: “Where
were
you on Sept. 11th, 2001? How did you deal with it? How do you think it
has affected or will affect hip-hop?”
VINNIE PAZ: “The
ironic thing about that is, I’m basically a night owl. So, I was
watching
TV all night and drinking beer the night before. I fell asleep at like
7 in the morning. I woke up at around 5 at night on September 11th, not
knowing that sh*t had happened. I slept through all of 9-11!!! I
didn’t know anything. I woke up with the phone ringing and my girl was
like ‘Vinnie! Vinnie! Is the world going to end? Is this going to be
World
War III?’ I thought I was dreaming. I said, ‘What the f*ck are you
talking
about?’ She said, ‘You don’t know?’ I responded ‘What do you mean? I
don’t
know what?’ She told me to look at the TV. I put the TV on and I was
still
half asleep. It was all like a dream to me. It was really upsetting. I
saw this documentary called ‘Telling Nicholas’ that was on HBO. It was
a whole documentary based on this family trying to tell a 6 year old
kid
that his mother died in the World Trade Center. To tell you the truth,
that’s when the sh*t really hit me because I actually saw how it
affected
people. For it to happen on a major scale is horrible, but to really
know
the people is heartbreaking. When I saw that sh*t with the little kids,
it was horrible. When bad things like that happen, I start to think
about
all of the things that I have. I’m glad that my mother’s here. I have a
good family. That sh*t makes me just not want to create problems with
anyone.
I don’t feel like hip-hop really responds to that. People still want to
kill each other. I didn’t really see any hip-hop heads help the cause.”
T.JONES: “What is
your favorite part of your live show?”
VINNIE PAZ: “You
know what, my favorite part of our live show is when we get these
people
to generally like our sh*t. They come up and tell us what their
favorite
songs are. Being able to get on stage and make money for rapping is an
honor. Fans buy our sh*t.”
T.JONES: “What
are
you doing differently in the live shows now that you weren’t doing in
the
past?”
VINNIE PAZ: “It
hasn’t. We’re on some crazy sh*t. I’m on some heavy metal sh*t. I’m
wilin’
out with motherf*ckers! Whenever we do live shows, we try to keep it
that
way. It’s a little more refined because we tried to step it up
and
make it more professional. The show is more refined.”
T.JONES: “What is
the most left-field song you ever did? (released or not)?”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Musically,
it’s not left-field but there is a song called ‘I Who Have Nothing’
from
our first album. It’s was basically 3 verses about my pain. So, it
wasn’t
necessarily left-field but it was left-field for me because I gave more
of my personal self to that song than I did on any other record.
Traditionally,
I’m a battle emcee.”
T.JONES: “Out of
all the Jedi Mind Tricks albums, which one is your favorite?”
VINNIE PAZ: “This
new one, ‘Visions Of Gandhi’, is my favorite. I know it’s a
cliché
answer but it’s true. We got in a real studio with real engineers for
the
first time. We weren’t doing joints in the crib anymore. It was fun to
bring back good memories. Records are like girlfriends. If someone was
going to ask you, ‘Who’s your favorite girlfriend?’, it should be the
girl
you’re with now. Right now, ‘Visions Of Gandhi’ is like my new
girlfriend.”
T.JONES: “Do you
have a favorite song on ‘Visions Of Gandhi’?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Yeah,
my favorite song is ‘The Rage Of Angels’ I wrote it about my friend who
is doing a stretch of 30 years. He was my best friend.”
T.JONES: “Word
association
time. I’m going to say a name of a group/emcee and you say the first
word
that pops in your head. So, if I say ‘Chuck D’, you may say
‘Revolution’.
Okay?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Okay,
right.”
T.JONES: “Eminem”
VINNIE PAZ: “Ill.”
T.JONES: “J-Zone”
VINNIE PAZ: “Dope
beats.”
T.JONES: “Louis
Logic”
VINNIE PAZ: “Good
friend.”
T.JONES: “Jay-Z”
VINNIE PAZ: “The
dopest out there.”
T.JONES: “50 Cent”
VINNIE PAZ: “Ruler
of the streets.”
T.JONES: “Phife
Dawg”
VINNIE PAZ: “Needs
Q-tip back.”
T.JONES: “Common”
VINNIE PAZ: “Go
back to your old style.”
T.JONES: “George
Bush”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Anti-Christ.”
T.JONES: “What do
you think hip-hop needs these days?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I think
it needs X-Clan back. I think it needs Public Enemy back. I think it
needs
EPMD back. I think it needs A Tribe Called Quest back. Someone has to
start
bringing the raw sh*t back now.”
T.JONES: “If you
could remake any classic hip-hop song, what would it be?”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Probably
‘Smooth Momentum’ by Tuff Crew.”
T.JONES: “What is
the worst hip-hop fad?"”
VINNIE PAZ: “The
worst hip-hop fad, to me, is cats from the East coast doing down South
bounce music. I can’t take that sh*t. When anyone who is not from down
South does that, I can’t take that sh*t. New York and East Coast has
always
made real raw, strong rap music that has always represented the people.
I ain’t with that sh*t.”
T.JONES: “How
have
you matured or evolved as an emcee and a lyricist?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I
matured
because I realized that you cannot make everyone happy. If you make
crazy
complex sh*t, cats from the street ain’t gonna feel that. If you make
strictly
street sh*t, the white backpacker kids ain’t gonna feel that. So, you
bang
your head against the wall trying to make everyone happy and then you
realize,
it’s not about making everyone happy. It’s about making the sh*t you
want
to make. I’ve learned that and there are always going to be little
nerds
on the Internet talking sh*t and those are the same nerds who don’t
have
the balls to come up to you in your face.”
T.JONES:
“Obviously,
you are a huge Star Wars fan. What is it about Star Wars that you like?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I was
a crazy Star Wars fan. I have 2 nephews and it’s a great thing to take
them to see the new ‘Star Wars’ movies.”
T.JONES: “Do you
have a favorite Star Wars movie?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I
probably
have to go with ‘The Empire Strikes Back’. It’s more dark.”
T.JONES: “What
are
some major misconceptions that people have of you?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I don’t
know if there are misconceptions. I don’t know about it. I do my best
to
not go on the Internet and read all of that sh*t because it’s
counter-productive.
So, I do not know. One misconception is that we don’t smile and laugh
because
we’re some thugged out motherf*ckers.”
T.JONES: “What is
the biggest mistake you have made in your career?”
VINNIE PAZ: “My
mother always told me that if you made a mistake and you learn from it,
it was never truly a mistake. It’s only a mistake if you do not learn
from
it. Any mistakes that we made, we definitely learned from them. I took
something away from all of those mistakes.”
T.JONES: “How did
you hook up with Kool G Rap and end up working with him on ‘Animal
Rap’?
What was that collaboration like?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Chuck
Wilson, CEO of Babygrande, is good friends with the kids over at
Rawkus.
They hooked it up. He came through with it, chilled out with us,
cracked
a bottle of Hennessey. He wasn’t just a nice guy as a legend, he was a
nice guy as a person. He was mad humble, mad polite, mad articulate.
He’s
good to his wife, good to his kids. It was a good thing to see that
somebody
that legendary was that down to Earth.”
T.JONES: “What
advice
would you give to a young emcee or producer who wants to have a music
career?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I guess
my advice would depend on how serious they are. Some people do this as
a hobby where they work a nine to five and they do hip-hop for fun. Me
and Stoupe have been doing this, in one form or another, for over 16
years.
At this point, we don’t have a choice but to make sh*t hot. We’re
dedicated.
We live it, eat it, breathe it, because this is what we want to do for
the rest of our lives.”
T.JONES: “Was
there
ever a point where you were going to give up?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Never.”
T.JONES: “What do
you do when you are incredibly stressed out?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Damn,
man. I probably wouldn’t be half as stressed out as I am if I knew a
way
to deal with it. That has always been one of my problems. I don’t know
how to deal with stress. Some people do. I watch a lot of movies and
independent
films. I read a lot. I go to fights a lot in Atlantic City and New
York.
I’m just a really big boxing fan. Film, reading, boxing… whatever I can
do to get my mind off of what pissed me off in the first place. It’s
really
the only way I can deal with it.”
T.JONES: “What
are
some of your favorite books?”
VINNIE PAZ: “My
favorite book of all time is ‘Catcher In The Rye’. Holden Caulfield is
the best literary character ever.”
T.JONES: “What
are
some of your favorite films?”
VINNIE PAZ: “I just
saw this dope movie recently called ‘Roger Dodger’. Campbell Scott is
in
the movie. It’s a real dope flick. I watch a lot of independent sh*t.”
T.JONES: “What is
next in the future for JMT?”
VINNIE PAZ:
“Actually,
we’re ready to go on tour on Tuesday, 26th. We’ll be going on till late
October. We’re back for the holidays to chill for a minute and then, we
go to Europe. We’ll probably be touring for the next year and then,
we’ll
start working on the next album.”
T.JONES: “What
are
some of the future projects or collaborations you are or will be
working
on?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Yeah,
my whole crew, Army Of The Pharaohs, are going to do a record together.
Us, Esoteric, Apathy, Celph Titled, Louis Logic, Outer space, my crew
from
Philly. There’s more. We’re going to do a compilation record.”
T.JONES: “What do
you want on your epitaph (your gravestone)?”
VINNIE PAZ: “That’s
a deep question, man. I want ‘Here lies Vinnie Paz, a motherf*cker that
never held back and never was afraid to tell you the truth to your
face.’
That’s what I want. That’s what everyone says about me. They say that
it’s
a problem and ironically, I don’t see it as a problem. People say that
I cut to the chase right away. I wouldn’t give it up.”
T.JONES: “Any
final
words for the people who are reading this?”
VINNIE PAZ: “Thank
you! Thank you for showing us love and giving the opportunity to talk
and
speak my mind. Peace.”
THANK YOU VINNIE PAZ of JEDI MIND TRICKS ! ! !
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