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What
Makes JKD Different Than Kickboxing Today?
by
Cass Magda
In
the late 60's and early 70's the JKD clan was on the cutting edge of
martial arts development in America. Bruce Lee's students were sparring
full contact, and emphasized conditioning in their training. They had
vigorous training similar to boxers and used equipment like hand pads,
jump ropes, and kicking sheilds. They wore protective equipment and went
'all out' in the sparring. This is typical today but unheard of for
martial arts karate people in the 60's and early 70's. Some well known
tournament champions of the day took JKD ideas and introduced them as
"kickboxing" to the American public in the 70s. Today the term
kickboxing is in common usage. However, JKD was never meant to be a ring
sport. Although it may have been the precursor to American kickboxing
today, it always trained with the idea of self defense for the street. In JKD the strongest most coordinated side of the body is used to throw the tools-the various strikes such as punches, kicks or finger jabs to the eyes. This is a strong and suprising first line of defense. The kicking is done from mobile, constantly shifting footwork. The lead leg low shin kick or knee kick is used to attack as well as intercept the opponent's forward movements. With the shoes on, this technique is especially painful. The fascinating 'trapping hands' of JKD support this structure well and it is 'hitting' that is the most important aspect. If the punch is blocked a JKD man traps the hand or arm only to hit again. If there is no resistance then he just keeps on hitting. JKD people also like to use the 'straight blast'. The straight blast is a trademark JKD tactic. It consists of a type of repeating alternating punching along the centerline that is useful to off balance the opponent and hurt him enough to clear the situation for a followup of some kind. The followup could be an elbow, a knee, a break, or a choke. If he uses a submission, it is to hurt or stop the man as quick as possible to end the situation, not try to control him and put him into a fancy lock. The strong side forward ,pushes,pulls and keeps the opponent off balance while constantly pummelling him with hits. These special tactics makes the art of JKD different than the kickboxing type sports. The American martial arts scene has caught up with many of Bruce Lee's JKD ideas concerning contact training. Contact and realistic training has grown. Modern full contact karate styles have adapted the training methods and techniques of western boxing in order to survive in the ring, echos of Bruce Lee's ideas as far back as the 1960's. Muay Thai in America and Europe has fertilized kickboxing with its powerful concepts of kicking, elbowing and kneeing. The UFC, Extreme Fighting, Vale Tudo and Shootfighting have added the specific idea of submission to kickboxing and have a spectator format that is exciting and incredibly enjoyable to watch. They kickbox then grapple all the way to the ground continuing to strike. The original JKD concept of totality in combat for self defense expressed as a ring sport. Of course, JKD shall remain today and for the future as a useful street savy method. It's structure and continued development remains true to the original ideals..."totality in combat" to deliver self defense that is simple, direct and non-classical. The
Corner-stones of Jeet Kune Do by
Cass Magda
In JKD we always search for ways to make
ourselves more functional in combat. This can be done by researching other
arts, fitting what is useful into our structure, absorbing what we learn
through the rigorous test of full contact sparring, and then eliminating
what doesn't work or modifying it so it does. In this research we use the
criteria and theory of JKD as a method of study. JKD is our way to study
other things to decide if they're functional or not. Dan Inosanto once
told me that one of the most important things that Bruce Lee taught him
was the ability to decide what was functional and what was not. He called
it, "The Functional Eye." "Simple, direct, and
non-classical," is a phrase which describes the three cornerstones of
JKD. These cornerstones are the criteria for our method of study and
analysis of what is functional and what isn’t. They are used when
analyzing other martial arts techniques or when trying to improve within
our own system of JKD. The first cornerstone is
"simplicity." If a technique sequence against an attack takes
six moves then the chances of it being used successfully in reality are
slim. It's a simple fact that the more moves one has to make, the more
chances there are of something going terribly wrong. So part of using
simplicity as a criteria is to ask, "How can that six-move sequence
be shortened to three moves? Can those three moves be shortened to
two?" Ultimately, modifying and changing a six-move sequence to one
or two moves and getting the same end result is a JKD way of thinking and
studying. "Directness" is the next
cornerstone. The techniques of various martial arts can be simple but
still not be direct. So, a simple counter such as blocking an attack then
hitting back may be simple, but it is not direct. One way to improve
directness is to improve the timing of the counterattack. Try to hit just
before the opponent's blow lands. In other words, beat him to the punch or
perhaps simultaneous block and hit. Interception is considered the highest
stage of JKD. Directness can also be improved by minimizing preparatory
movements. The less we have to move to hit the better. The last cornerstone is
"non-classical." This is the freedom to go outside the
established classical system and break the rules of the techniques or
theory. The classical system says there is only one way to do something.
"Non-classical" in JKD means personalization. When we are being
non-classical, we have the freedom to change things for our needs. We may
absorb a theory or technique from another source but accomplish it in
quite a different way. A lot of the time, as a result of these
modifications, the finished motion may end up only faintly resembling or
looking nothing like the original source. The modifications change the
technique, principle, or training method into something unrecognizable
from the style of origin, hence it becomes non-classical. It may also mean
that we don't go outside our system to absorb from another source but
instead modify what we already have or even create something new to solve
the problem. Take
The Challenge by
Burt Richardson
Are
you the type of person who can rise to the occasion, and perform better
when there is a great challenge ahead of you? If not, would you like to
become this type of person? Like so many things, acquiring this positive
attitude is a matter of choice and training. You
go to your school, and some of the other students have heard about the
fight. They start telling you that you are crazy, and that you will never
be able to defeat this guy. He is just too good, too aggressive, and too
powerful. How do you respond to this mental pressure? Does this depress
you? Do you start to think that you accepted the fight hastily, and that
you should reconsider? Burt
Offerings by
Burt Richarson
Oh, the battles we wage with our egos. While
the ego can sometimes light a fire of motivation in a person that results
in positive advances, it often becomes the leash that keeps us tied to the
doghouse of our own creation. Our own ego can keep us from exploring
worlds of wonder that are within our reach, if we will succumb to its
limiting impulses. Ego-Driven Image Developing Yourself Lead by Example Personal Growth Liberating Experiences If you teach, then your students will get to enjoy a similar path. Western
Fencing & Jeet Kune Do by
William Edgeworth
The
Eastern martial arts and their influences have been stated and analyzed
throughout the past two decades in the examination of jeet kune do. In the original synopsis that he was drawing
up while attending the University of Washington, JKD founder Bruce Lee
stated he was working on a new martial arts program or concept. This idea
was to merge the mind and body into one cohesive unit. One of the first
physical arts mentioned was Western fencing. It’s In The Bible Best Foot Forward Not only do they allow you to close the distance in your initial attack, but as in fencing, they allow you to compound the attack with one or more moves (but no more than three). Employed in feinting is the concept of high/low attack. This feigning of one line to hit another is analogous to the sectors that the body (trunk) is divided up into in fencing. One may use a false or deceptive movement into one line with his blade to draw a response or indirectly attack another line. Both concepts of feints and direct or progressive indirect attacks are modeled into the methodology of JKD’s five ways of attack. They also allow one to be noncommittal in one’s attack and adjust or flow based on the energies exhibited by the opponent. This relationship between fencer and JKD practitioner is illustrated and exemplified time and time again with JKD enhancing the others distinct attributes. These attributes are what Bruce Lee considered the highest form of JKD training. And the sensitivity Lee gathered from his earliest form of training wing chun’s chi sao greatly employs many of these same energy or sensitivity movements of fencing. Cohesion with the opponent, getting in enough to feel his energy and be receptive to it. This JKD facet is similar to the force of the fencer’s blade moving under and over his opponent’s. By forming a preliminary analysis he has discovered what type of fighter he is facing. With JKD it is this realm of cohesion or clinching that forms reference points and allows the practitioner to immobilize or trap his opponent’s hands. This trapping skill is one of the most important features in JKD, whereas in fencing the foil is used to create these energy reference points, employing the slide, bind or coupe as a immobilizing way of attack. Western foil fencing permeates throughout JKD with similar phrases, movements, line of attack, immobilization techniques, footwork and forced action. Lee realized the lightning-quick strokes and riposte in fencing were ideal for jeet kune do. Actually, it’s such a perfect fit, one wonders why the two arts were not integrated before. Taky
Kimura: JKD’s Honorable Master by
Interview conducted by Jose Fraguas
He
is the senior member of the jeet kune do family and was one of Bruce Lee's
closest friends. Bruce took him under his wing and made him his assistant
in the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute in Seattle, Wash. During the years
following Bruce's death, Taky Kimura decided to be silent about his
training and relationship with the founder of jeet kune do. As a person,
Taky Kimura is extremely humble and respectful to his teacher and to the
art he received. For almost four decades, Taky Kimura has been teaching
the Jun Fan method of gung-fu in his basement. He doesn't advertise for
students and he likes to walk softly. As a teacher, he understands his
students and supports them in any direction they decide to go. Since 1973
he has taken care of his sifu's grave and keeps it clean by visiting
several times a week. "It's not a chore. It's an honor and a
privilege. It's a humble way of paying back everything Bruce did for
me." INSIDE KUNG-FU:
When did you meet Bruce Lee? IKF:
What was your first reaction to him? IKF:
What was Bruce's art during this time? IKF: Traditionally,
Chinese teachers hold back certain methods. Was Bruce this way? IKF:
How do you view the art of jeet kune do? IKF:
How important is the material Bruce taught in Seattle in the context of
the whole JKD experience? IKF:
Did Bruce update you on his progress and evolution? IKF:
It is true that Bruce called you and told you “chi sao was out?" IKF:
How did you two became such good friends? IKF: You
mentioned once that Bruce helped you to overcome many complex issues. Like
what? IKF:
You were injured during a class demonstrations, right? IKF:
What did Bruce say? IKF:
What is your personal goal as far as teaching is concerned? IKF:
Do you think a good instructor has to be a good fighter? IKF:
Why you have been teaching in your basement all these years when you could
gone public? TK: Definitely! I have found that martial arts discipline has always put me through psychological changes and I honestly believe that anything that puts you up against yourself is going to be beneficial because you’ll be more aware of who you are and eventually you’ll transcend yourself. Let’s face it: all martial arts styles have ego to them. How well you punch or kick, how powerful your actions are, how good your form looks, are all driven by the ego. The idea is to use the arts to transcend ourselves by letting our spirit come through. That is the reason why I always believed and related martial arts discipline to mental discipline. Martial arts teaches you discipline both mentally and physically. It takes a certain amount of discipline to push your body to operate in a specific unusual and well-coordinated way. The pursuit of perfection in all aspects of martial arts is not a bad thing and that is what we are attempting. In short, used in a proper way I believe martial arts are a great way to grow as individuals. Coming
to grips with Bruce Lee
by
Terry L. Wilson
While
working on the "Green Hornet," Bruce Lee and Gene LeBell formed
a lasting friendship based on martial arts. Judo and wrestling legend Gene LeBell has
hooked horns with the best in the game and in the process has earned the
moniker "The Toughest Man Alive," by his peers. One of those to
sing the praises of "Judo" Gene was Bruce Lee. In addition to
his years of training and teaching martial arts, Gene is also one of
Hollywood's top stuntmen. In fact, it's almost impossible to watch an
action film without seeing Gene firing a machine gun, getting tossed out
of a window or taking a fall for one of the superstars of the silver
screen. It was because of Gene's prowess in the
martial arts and his popularity in Hollywood's stunt community that he was
called in to check out a "new guy" by the name of Bruce Lee. I
met Bruce when he was working on the television series, "Green
Hornet," I recalled LeBell. Benny Dobbins was stunt coordinator for
the show and he called and asked me to check out some kid by the name of
Bruce Lee. "I got this guy who does the same stuff you do,"
Dobbins said. Of course, Benny didn't know the difference between judo and
kung-fu, but he wanted me to watch this new actor work. One of the first
things I noticed was that although Bruce was small, about 130 pounds, he
had a tremendous upper body. Bruce was also very fast and wanted to always
take the action beyond what the script called for. Once the director
called action, he got that and a lot more from Bruce." Bruce Soars to New Heights New to American
humor, the Chinese actor didn't know what to make of it when Gene hoisted
him over his shoulders and ran up and down the stairs doing a fireman's
carry with Lee draped over his shoulders. "Stuntmen and wrestlers
have their own brand of humor and at first Bruce didn't take my little
joke too kindly," LeBell said with a chuckle. "Eventually he
realized we were just welcoming him into our group and before long he fit
right in with the rest of the rowdy stuntmen." Gene went on to do
stuntwork in many episodes of the "Green Hornet" with Lee.
During their time together on the set, the future kung-fu superstar and
the legendary judo master got to know each other. "Bruce liked doing
parlor tricks on the set," recalled LeBell. "He would make a
dollar disappear and other magic tricks. "You've got to remember when
I first met him Bruce wasn't famous. Back then he was just another actor
who did martial arts." Gene's Grappling Lesson LeBell and Lee
became friends and frequently trained at each other's dojo. It was during
these sessions that Bruce was introduced to Gene's grappling skills, and
in return Bruce taught Gene how to kick. "At that time I had a small
dojo near Paramount Studios," LeBell explained. "Bruce would
come to my school and I'd go to his. Back then he had a small school in
Chinatown. We worked out on a one-on-one basis and we both learned a great
deal from each other. He taught me a lot of kung-fu moves that I had never
seen before, and Bruce was phenomenal with his kicks. He taught me how to
do crescent kicks and spinning backkicks. Of course, nowadays everybody
does those kicks, but back then it was all new and exciting. In return, I
showed Bruce some judo throws and grappling techniques. In fact, he used
one of the judo grappling armbars I taught him in Enter The Dragon." Although Bruce was impressed with Gene's
skill he wasnít taken with grappling as a sport that would ever draw a
big audience. "I remember Bruce saying that pro wrestling would never
be a popular spectator sport because they spend so much time struggling to
get a hold or grip on each other," Gene said. "Bruce would say,
"Wrestling is boring and people will turn on another channel."
Well, I wonder what Bruce would say if he were around today and saw the
WWF, which is the most popular show on television today." Grappling's "Green Hornet" As Gene
and Bruce continued to work together on the "Green Hornet", the
kung-fu star incorporated a few of Gene's judo moves into the action.
"There was a couple of times when Bruce threw me using a judo throw
during the filming of the ëGreen Hornets," Gene said. "He'd use
a shoulder throw on me and I said to him, "Bruce, toss in a couple of
your kicks and show off your versatility." Another time I did a
martial arts demonstration with Bruce. I was throwing a bunch of people
all over the place then Bruce came out and threw me using a judo throw. Iíve
even got a tape of that somewhere around the house." Gene also
recalled the time when his friend, martial arts legend Bob Wall, called
and was all excited about working with Bruce Lee in the film Enter The
Dragon. Bob called and said, "This guy is the toughest guy in the
world." Of course, I'd been working with Bruce and I told Bob that
Bruce was also the nicest guy in the world. Another thing that made Bruce
a superstar was his outstanding showmanship and on-screen charisma."
The Son Also Rises In addition to working with Bruce, Gene also shared a
lot of screen time with his son, Brandon. "Brandon was a very tough
martial artist and his dad would have been very proud of him," Gene
said. "The way Brandon and I met was kind of funny. Mike Vendrell is
a great stuntman as well as an outstanding martial artist and Brandon's
kung-fu teacher; well, he frequently worked out with Brandon and one day
Mike brought him to my dojo. Mike (Mike Vendrell is a man that Gene
respects so much he named a move after him in his Encyclopedia of
Finishing Holds: "The Vendrell Vice") introduced us and asked me
to work out with Brandon. Brandon said, "You really want me to work
with this old man?" Well I was about 50 then so I got on the mat and
showed him how sadistic some old men are. (Gene claims he's still an old
man and some claim he's just as sadistic. Gene's definition of
"sadistic" is administering an attitude adjustment.) We had a
lot of fun together and by the end of our workout I think Brandon went
away with a newfound respect for judo and senior citizens." Following
their initial meeting some time passed before Brandon and LeBell met
again. This time it was on the set of the movie Rapid Fire. Gene was
naturally playing the bad guy and Brandon the good guy.
"I
was shooting a machine gun and Brandon shot me during a fight
sequence," Gene said. "I wanted them to let Brandon beat me up
and throw me through a window so I could take some nice falls for him and
really show off his martial arts skills. Unfortunately they didn't have
time to do the extra stunts and it would have changed the script so
Brandon just shot me. Too bad, it would have been fun if he could have
beaten me up a little first. Brandon was a great, great athlete. I just
wish he could beat me up on screen. I mean, every star in Hollywood has
beaten me up at one time or another so it would have been nice if Brandon
could have done that too." Like his father, Brandon realized that
Gene's techniques could greatly augment his fight scenes in the movies so
he sought out "Judo" Gene’s help to add some throws and locks
to his growing martial arts repertoire. "Brandon was really into his acting,
but he also didn't mind mixing it up on the mat either," Gene said.
"He came down to a few classes and we worked out together just like I
did with his dad. Brandon was a tough little scrapper." In recounting
his experiences with Bruce Lee, LeBell modestly said, "He learned a
lot from me and I learned a lot from him. It was a tremendous experience
knowing him and Brandon. I'm grateful for the opportunity to have shared
mat time with such a nice and talented family." Bruce
Lee The Early Years by
David Tadman
The
first knight of Hong Kong, the opera performer, the child actor, the rock
star. These are just a few of the amazing stories you've heard about
Robert Lee. Twenty-seven years after the death of his brother Bruce, there
are so few stories to be told. Yet, so few have had the chance to hear
Robert Lee's slant on life as a member of the Lee family. This interview
will take you from the beginning of Robert's life, through Bruce's death
and up to the present day, where the light of his life is his son,
Clarence, who bears both an uncanny physical and emotional
resemblance to his late uncle. INSIDE KUNG-FU: Robert,
the Lee family was well-known even before the birth of your brother Bruce.
Can you tell us the history of the Lee family? ROBERT LEE:
Yes, my father was one of the top four opera comics in all of Hong Kong.
At first there were many struggles, and then later in his career he became
very famous. I guess you can say the entertainment blood ran first,
through my father's veins. Not too many people know that my mother's uncle
was the very first knight of Hong Kong. He was the first "Sir"
in Hong Kong to be knighted by the King of England. That meant a lot for
our family. My mother's father had 13 wives. Is that notorious enough? IKF:
I know your father trained in tai chi chuan. Did you have any other
relatives who trained in the martial arts around the same time as your
father? RL:
No I don't believe so. My father started training in tai chi because he
was not feeling well. He knew he had to get his body back into shape and
tai chi was perfect for that. The older Chinese people believe that tai
chi gives the body a holistic workout. It's good for your soul and body.
This is the reason for my father training in the art tai chi chuan. The
only other family member I can think of who trained in the martial arts
would be my cousin Frank. He trained with Bruce in wing chun. IKF:
Was tai chi chuan the only martial art your father studied? RL:
When my father trained with the Opera, he had to go through a lot of
rigorous training, which involved many of the other arts, different animal
systems and many acrobatics. I would say overall, he did study other arts,
but mainly tai chi chuan. Looking back at my father's opera career it's
similar in what Jackie Chan or Sammo Hung went through. He had to learn
stunts, acrobatics, singing, etc. My father was a well-rounded
entertainer. IKF:
Was your father a philosophical man? RL:
My father was a very traditional man and would always come up with certain
quotes the older generations used to use. I remember he would always like
to use famous quotes from generations past to teach us certain lessons. IKF:
Can you tell us a little bit about your mother and how she raised you and
Bruce along with your other siblings? RL:
Well, my father did most of the raising with the traditional Chinese way,
which at times could be very stern. My mother, on the other hand,
was mixed Asian and European so she had more Western views on certain
situations. Sometimes we would do some very bad things and she would hide
them from our father. IKF:
Are there any moments that stand out in your mind when growing up in Hong
Kong you would like to share with us. RL:
I used to hang out with my father in his room, and we use to talk about
many different things. I was the youngest so my father liked playing
around with me and things in that nature. I remember one day my father
bought sticks of bamboo, and began to shape them with a knife. About a day
or so later, I walked into the house and there was a bow made out of
bamboo. That meant a lot to me, just knowing that my father was a very
stern and strict man and at the same time, had a soft heart. To this day
it is very touching for me. IKF:
We all know that Bruce was a child actor. Does anything stand out about
those times? RL:
I was very young at that time, but my mother used to tell us stories about
Bruce as a child actor. She would say that Bruce was a very professional
worker on the set. There were times when Bruce was on a break and they
would call him back to work, and all of a sudden, he would stand at
attention, take his acting directions and be a complete professional. No
matter if it was late at night or early in the morning, being tired or
bored, he would rise to the occasion and do his job. IKF:
Did you ever want to pursue an acting career as a child or young adult? RL:
I guess the entertainment blood runs in our family. My interest has always
been music. When I turned around 14 or 15 I had the urge to sing, so I
asked my mother if I could have a guitar. I knew if I asked my father he
would say, "No way." He believed if it was a Western instrument,
it was no good. It meant bad karma. The problem is that I wanted that
guitar so badly, I kept asking my mother over and over again without my
father's knowledge, and finally she gave in. The only way I could play it
was to keep it in the servant's quarters, because I knew my father would
never go in there. I would sit down without an amplifier and learn how to
play it by myself. But to answer your question, acting was not my thing. IKF:
Who was your inspiration as a musician at that time? RL:
I really liked Ricky Nelson. IKF:
Before Bruce left for the States, what was your relationship like with
him? RL:
Most of the time Bruce would be doing his own thing - either chasing girls
or hanging around with friends. As time got closer toward his leaving Hong
Kong, he became more somber. I remember one time shortly before Bruce
left, we were playing on this huge bed we would frequent in one of the
rooms. Anyway we were having fun and playing games and all of the sudden
he stopped and looked at me and said, "Well Robert, you know I will
be leaving in a couple of days." He looked at me in sadness and
walked away. I look back now and realize he was showing me he was going to
miss me. IKF:
We all heard how Bruce as a young man would always get into trouble. Is
there anything that stands out in your mind from those times? RL:
Well, one day when I was at home I heard a knock at the door. I went to
the door and opened it only to find Bruce with his head down looking
toward the ground. I remembered a few days earlier I heard Bruce was
supposed to fight some guy over a disagreement. As Bruce raised his head,
I could see one of his eyes was black and blue. I started to laugh and
Bruce said, "If you think this is funny, you should see the other
guy, he has no more teeth. My mother rushed him into the maid's quarters
and put a boiled egg on his eye. The Chinese people believe if you put an
egg over a bruised eye, it will heel quickly, and she wanted to do
anything to help the eye heal before my father saw it. Luckily my father
never found out about that situation. IKF:
I know your father showed Bruce a little tai chi chuan. Can you tell us
anything about those times? RL:
I remember I used to take a lot of pictures of my father training Bruce.
As a matter of fact, a lot of those pictures you see in magazines with
Bruce and my father training came from my camera. My father also showed me
a little tai chi, those are great memories. I also remember taking all the
film I shot and going under my staircase at home with a friend of mine and
we would be developing the film. The only way we could do it was if we
stole our mother's cigarettes and burned them so we can see the image on
the negative. When we were done developing, we would leave the closet,
choking on smoke. Who would know today that those pictures in a way would
be priceless? IKF:
Were there any special outings you took with Bruce and the rest your
family before Bruce left for the States? RL:
I'm glad you brought that up. My father used to love fishing, and on most
weekends he would rent a boat. We all would drive to the countryside and
get on the boat and go fishing and enjoy the day. Bruce did not like to go
that often because he would always get seasick. But at the end of the day
we would cook the fish and have a great lunch or dinner. Those were great
times. IKF:
Can you tell us how Bruce came to meet Yip Man? RL:
When Bruce was about 14 he was a sharp dresser and always liked to flaunt
himself to others. Because of this, he started getting into fights and
ending up hurt. Bruce decided to learn how to protect himself and was then
introduced to Yip Man by our father. IKF:
What was Bruce's relationship like with Yip Man? RL:
Yip Man believed Bruce had a lot of potential, so therefore he showed
Bruce a lot of techniques. Some of these techniques were not even shown to
the other students. It was great, everytime Bruce learned a new technique
he would come home and show myself and my cousin, Frank. At this time
Bruce had his own wing chun dummy and he would be practicing everyday. IKF:
Did you see any changes in Bruce's personality as his training grew with
Yip Man? RL:
No, not really. He was still very full of himself. He was still kind of
showing off a lot. I noticed a big change when I came to the States in
1969. Bruce seemed to be more humble. At that time in his life, he knew
what he could do, so all the pretense and cockiness I saw in Hong Kong was
gone. He was more a philosophical and secure individual. I guess that was
the new Bruce. IKF:
Going back a little, when did Bruce get involved with cha cha dancing? RL:
Bruce was about 17 and always chasing the girls, and the girls were always
dancing cha cha at the nightclubs. As we know, Bruce could move pretty
good and I guess the next step of things was to learn cha cha. At the
beginning, Bruce did not know many steps in cha cha, but he compensated by
knowing how to move well. At that time, Bruce used to go to a nightclub
where the band members were all Filipino, and at that time the band
members knew cha cha. From what I remember, the band members knew Bruce
came a lot to the club and they all became friendly. After awhile they
taught Bruce many different steps. That's how Bruce excelled in his
dancing. IKF:
How did Bruce's leaving Hong Kong effect the family? RL:
As I remember, the whole family went to the dock where the ship was to
depart and we all went up to his room where he began talking to my mother
and father. I was still pretty young at that time and all I can remember
was this huge ship and I was in awe. From what my mother had told me it
was a somber time. She said when the whistle blew for the ship to leave we
all had to leave Bruce on the ship. As we walked on to the dock, we could
see Bruce from the second story of the ship, waving a streamer, which they
gave to all the passengers. He was waving to us and that was it. IKF:
I have had the privilege to see many rare notes from Bruce in your
possession. Some of his notes document his complete trip to the States
while on the ship. Tell us about some of those notes?
RL: Bruce's notes basically document his
day-to-day life on the ship. His teaching of cha cha and meetings of
different people. Bruce did write a lot about teaching cha cha and in
return he would get better accommodations and upgrades. He really liked
that. IKF:
When Bruce made it big with the "Green Hornet", how did your
family react to his newfound fame in the states. RL:
At that time my father died, so he did not have a chance to see his son
with that success. My mother, on the other hand, was very proud of Bruce,
as were the rest of us. I can remember watching it on television and
thinking cool, that's my brother. The family though was kind of used to
his success being a child actor. And all the people in Hong Kong already
considered him a star from his early films. IKF:
Within five years after Bruce arrived stateside he was introduced to a lot
of martial artists. Did Bruce ever tell you about them? Did he have a
favorite? RL:
Bruce never discussed with me any of the martial artists he had met. He
did tell me he really respected Muhammad Ali and thought he was a great
fighter. IKF:
When Bruce had his success in The Big Boss, Fist of Fury, Way of the
Dragon, etc., what was it like for your family? RL:
At that time my mother and myself were stateside. When the movies came to
the theaters, we would go see them. It was amazing. I would forget
sometimes he was my brother and just get involved with the film like
everyone else. It was amazing just to see him move on film. I remember
just being blown away hearing people scream when Bruce made any type of
fighting move. Man, he was the coolest. My mother couldn't get enough of
the fans complimenting her son. I was very proud to be his brother. IKF:
If Bruce were to describe his films in a brief sentence, what do you think
he would say? Starting with The Big Boss. RL:
Bruce would probably say it was a film I had to do to establish myself. IKF:
Fist of Fury? RL:
Bruce would say, I wanted to show the strength of the Chinese people. IKF:
Way of the Dragon? RL:
Bruce would say, I wanted to show my talents as a writer, producer and
director and of course, acting. IKF:
Did he ever mention anything about his films, Enter the Dragon or Game of
Death? RL:
Not really, he was in the process of working on both films. All I can say
is, he felt Enter the Dragon was going to be big, and he was very
happy with the way it was coming out. IKF:
I heard that Bruce was pretty impressed with your music career. Was this
true? RL:
Oh ya. I remember when I came over to the States, I brought singles that I
recorded. I gave them to Bruce, and he would bring them over to James
Coburn's house and they would listen to them. He would brag about me to
his friends, and tell them how good of a musician I was. I remember one
day I was playing my guitar in the living room, and Bruce approached and
asked if it was hard to play the guitar. I told him not for me, and asked
him if he would like me to show him a few chords. Well he sat down and for
ten or 15 minutes he could not get it. He finally got up and walked away
saying under his breath, "I will stick to martial arts." IKF:
Bruce had many friends and students. If I were to mention a few, what two
words would describe them, from your conversations with Bruce? RL:
It would be hard to do it in just a few words, but I will try. IKF:
Danny Inosanto? RL:
True Friend. IKF:
Taky Kimura? RL:
True friend. IKF:
Herb Jackson? RL:
Loyal and dedicated. IKF:
James Coburn? RL:
Philosophical. IKF:
Ted Wong? RL:
Good Friend. IKF:
Robert, I heard your son, Clarence, just signed a contract for film and
music in Hong Kong. How does it feel that another generation of RL:
I have always tried to instill in my son to be yourself, to express
yourself truthfully. If I can show him and help him develop his skill as a
performer, and help him somehow find himself in all of that, I will be a
very happy father. IKF:
Is it true you will be re-recording the "Ballad of Bruce Lee",
with your son in Hong Kong? RL:
Funny enough, he wants to do it with me with a few new tricks added in. IKF:
I had the privilege in meeting Clarence and was amazed in how much he
looks liked a younger Bruce. Have you noticed any traits that your son has
that remind you of Bruce? RL:
My son is still young and is still finding his true self. If you mean by
him being very independent and a go-getter, yes those were traits Bruce
had. IKF:
How does your son react knowing his uncle was the famous Bruce Lee? RL:
He has always been amazed that Bruce is considered his uncle. He has
always been very proud of that fact. He just wishes that he could have met
him. But my son understands, he really does. IKF:
Do you still write or record any music. RL:
I'm always fine-tuning my craft, and hopefully in the near future, I will
be doing a few projects with my son. IKF:
I know you have been working on a few book projects, one about the Lee
Family, and the other called Thirty-Two Dragons, which is a loving tribute
to your brother. When are these due for release? RL:
If all goes well, yes, these projects should he released soon. IKF:
Finally Robert, to all the fans that can't ask you questions about Bruce
and your family, what would you like to say to them? Bruce
Lee in 1965 (An Interview)
by
John Little
The
following interview was conducted during Bruce Lee’s screentest for
"Number One Son," a television series that was never made.
Instead, Lee would be cast as "Kato" in The Green Hornet
television series. However, this interview provides a unique keyhole
through which to view Bruce Lee’s views on his life, art and career up
to this time in his life (i.e., 1965). In two years time he would forsake
much of the gung fu methodology he herein embraced, and would create the
art of Jeet Kune Do and, ultimately, its application as the "way of
no-way." The screentest is used in part in John Little’s
forthcoming film, Bruce Lee: A Warrior’s Journey, which also includes
the never-before-seen "The Game of Death" footage we have all
been waiting to see for so long. The screentest excerpt is transcripted
here with permission. Now Bruce, just look right into the camera
lens right here and tell us your name, your age and when you were born. BRUCE LEE:
My last name is Lee, Bruce Lee. I was born in San Francisco. 1940. I'm 24
right now. And you worked in motion pictures in Hong
Kong? BRUCE LEE:
Yes, since I was around six years old. And when did you leave Hong Kong? BRUCE LEE:
1959. When I was eighteen. I see. Now look over to me, Bruce, as we
talk. I understand you just had a baby boy? BRUCE LEE: (smiles)
Yeah. And you've lost a little sleep over it, have
you? BRUCE LEE: (laughs)
Oh, three nights. And tell the crew what time they shoot the
pictures in Hong Kong. BRUCE LEE: Well
it's mostly in the morning because it's kind of noisy in Hong Kong, you
know? Around three million people there, and so every time when they have
a picture it's mostly, say, around 12:00 a.m. to 5:00 a.m. in the morning.
I see. (sarcastically) You love that, do
you? BRUCE LEE: (smiles)
And you went to College in the United
States? BRUCE LEE: Yes.
And what did you study? BRUCE LEE: Ah,
philosophy. I see. Now you told me earlier today, that
karate and ju-jitsu are not the most powerful or the best forms of
Oriental fighting. What is the most powerful or the best form? BRUCE LEE: (smiles)
Well, it's bad to say "the best" but, in my opinion, I think
Gung Fu is pretty good. And would you tell us a little bit about
Gung Fu? BRUCE LEE: Well,
Gung Fu was originated in China. It is the ancestor of karate and
ju-jitsu. It's more of a complete system and it's more fluid. By that I
mean, it's more flowing; there's continuity in movement instead of one
movement, two movement and then stop. Would you look right into the camera lens
and explain the principle of the glass of water as it applies to Gung Fu? BRUCE LEE: Well,
Gung Fu -- the best example would be a glass of water. Why? Because water
is the softest substance in the world, but yet it can penetrate the
hardest rock or anything -- granite, you name it. Water is also
insubstantial; by that I mean you cannot grasp hold of it, you cannot
punch it and hurt it. So every Gung Fu man is trying to do that; to be
soft like water, and flexible and adapt itself to the opponent. I see. What's the difference between a Gung
Fu punch and a karate punch? BRUCE LEE: Well,
a karate punch is like an iron bar -- whack! A Gung Fu punch is like an
iron chain with an iron ball attached to the end and it goes Wang! And it
hurts inside (laughs). Okay. In a moment we're going to cut and in
just a second we'll have you stand up and show us some Gung Fu and some
movements in Gung Fu. BRUCE LEE: Okay.
PART TWO: BRUCE LEE: (curiously)
"Classical Chinese Theater?" Well, you know, what we talked about in the
office; how they walk and how they start a move. BRUCE LEE: Well
in the Chinese Opera, they have the Warrior, and then the Scholar. The way
the Warrior walks would be something like this; Walking this way,
straight, come out -- bend [ing his leg], straight, and then walk out
again. An ordinary scholar would be just like a female; a weakling -- 90
pounds in Charles Atlas (laughs). You would be just walking, you know,
like a girl – real…shoulders up and everything. So you can tell by the way they walk you can
immediately tell who they are? BRUCE LEE: Right,
what character they represent. Now show us some Gung Fu movements. BRUCE LEE: Well,
it is hard to show it alone, but I will try and do my best. All right, maybe one of the fellows will
walk in. Go ahead, Frank. (sounds of camera crew cajoling one of their
senior members with "go ahead Frank," Come on, Lee -- get in
there!") BRUCE LEE: (joking
to crew) Although "accidents do happen," but, you know, there
are various kinds of strikes. It depends on where you hit and what weapon
you will be using. To the eyes you would use fingers. (he flicks out an
eye jab and the man, startled, backs up a bit. Lee says to him:
"Don't worry. I won't hit you." He fires a second eye jab) Or,
straight to the face (he fires a straight punch), using the waist. (he
fires a second punch) Everything on. (fires a third punch). Hold it just a minute. Let's move the
gentleman around this way so that you're doing it more into the camera.
(the questioner appear in the shot and guides the gentleman from a 90
degree angle to the left, so that the angle is more of a three-quarter or
45 degree angle) Okay, swell. BRUCE LEE: And
then there is the bent-arm strike (Lee demonstrates a slow motion backfist)--
using the waist again -- into a backfist. (Lee performs one more
slow-motion backfist, followed by one at half-throttle and two more
lightening fast backfists). And let's have the Assistant Director back
up just a little bit...(everyone laughs). Okay, go ahead. Continue. BRUCE LEE: And
then, of course, Gung Fu is very sneaky; (sarcastically) you know the
Chinese. They always hit low (he again performs a slow motion backfist to
the man's head). From high (he moves his backfist from the man's head area
quickly to a groin strike) -- go back to the groin.(the man reacts --
Bruce says "Don’t worry"). Now turn around the other way, would you
Bruce? BRUCE LEE: Okay.
Do you want him to move too? Yes. Man in Foreground: (trying to explain his
reactions to Lee's techniques) These are just natural reactions. BRUCE LEE: Right.
Right (smiles). Look into the camera a little bit and show
us again. BRUCE LEE: All
right. There's the finger jab (performs a lighting-fast finger jab). There
is the punch (performs a lightening-fast punch), there is the backfist
(performs a lightening-fast backfist to the head), and then low (performs
a lightening-fast backfist to the groin). Of course, then they use legs --
straight in the groin (performs a lightening-fast front kick to the man's
groin area) and then come up (performs a high hook kick to the man's
shoulder area). Or, if I can back up a little bit -- they start back from
here (throws a high hook kick to the man's face area) and then come back.
(Lee smiles and pats the man's shoulder: "He's kind of
worried.") He has nothing to worry about. Now again,
show us how a good Gung Fu man would very cooly handle it and then walk
away, rather than get involved in a series of actions that...(a buzzer
goes off, the man in the foreground turns and says "Sound!").
Okay. (scene ends). PART THREE: BRUCE LEE: Okay.
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