Passion and Death, and the Rise of Creation.
Program
“Ecocidio,” Radio Ser. Guadalajara, MX. Good Thursday, 1989.
Pre-recorded starting phrase: “Ecocide,” with
specialists in ecological issues. We invite you to unite efforts to improve our
environment. Welcome to “ecocide”.
FR – Ladies
and gentlemen, good night, welcome once more to today’s broadcast of “ecocide;”
today Thursday, Good Thursday. We are greeting you, inviting you to participate
with us. Our phones in cabin are already available...
Tonight with us, ACC, good night.
ACC - Good night.
FR – Of
course, here with us, the writer, sociologist, poet and friend, above all a
good “ecocide” friend JM, good night Juan. And here with us another invited,
Mr. AC who already visited us, last Thursday, exactly. Well, good night,
remember our phones that we put at your disposal… Today, we have a lamentable
absence, with a bit of sickness, had the flu, our collaborator, colleague,
namesake and good friend, Fernando Castro, so we, cordial greeting from here
wherever you are, our desire for you to get well.
So, first
we are going to pass the microphone to Miss ACC.
ACC - Fine,
in these days of lent it is good to remember, and also we are going to be a
little bit out of the routine …
FR – It seems
that we have a problem, ¿yes?, our operator, she indicates that we have a small
problem with the microphone number two, if you wish, put your chair by this
side, Christy, in that way we can realize of your message tonight. We are then,
to go out, so to speak, of the habitual theme of “ecocide”, even if this also
has a lot to do with what is “ecocide”, in one way or another. So, now I gladly
give you the microphone.
ACC – We
are going to talk about the passion and death and the reemerging of creation. These
days, in which we hear a lot about the passion, death and resurrection of
Christ Jesus, it is valid to talk also of the de and death and the reemergence
of creation. It is, of the nature that surrounds us and of the cosmos in
general. Its true that in the Bible we don’t have written the word “ecocide”,
but there is a very poetic expression that in a sense, it could be considered
as equivalent of “ecocide”, and this is that: “the creation was subjected to
bondage of corruption”, and the word corruption, when we look in the dictionary
it means “destruction, perdition, putrefaction, etc…”. And if we go to the
roots of everything that exists, we will see Genesis, the first things we read
are that The Eternal God, The Creator, in the beginning originated Heavens, the
universe, and the earth, our planet, but right in the next paragraph, something
somber its observed; it is read, according to the meaning and accuracy of the
expression, in the next way: “and the earth became without form and void”. I want to mention at this point,
that in most of the Spanish Bibles it has been translated in the next way “and
the earth was without form and void”,
but this translation is in some way inaccurate, because in the primitive
Semitic language, in old Hebrew, there was not the Spanish expression “to be” (ser, estar),
but it was the expression “became”, or simply the omission of the verb. For
example, in Spanish I told Juan: You are
Juan (“tú eres Juan”),
but in Hebrew I will tell him simply “You,
John”. This is more accurate, because while somebody is still alive, or is
changing for good or for bad, but never keeps himself static, we as humans are
indeed able to change. Or, instead of saying “the land is gray”, it is said “the gray soil”, which is more accurate, as
when you wet it, its color gets darker...
FR – Then,
in verse two of Genesis, something more accurate is to translate “and the earth
became without form and void”, and
this translation is confirmed with the next finding, the phrase that we read
“without form and void”, in Hebrew is “tohu bohu”, and one word of the same one is used in other
part of the Bible, and is the one that says that The Eternal God Created, Made
and Composed the earth, and He did not
Created it in vain but to be inhabited He Created it”. So, in this phrase,
the idea translated as “in vain”, is the same translated before as “void”, in
“without form and void” from the Hebrew “tohu bohu”, then, for Scripture build-up we
see that God did not created the earth “tohu bohu”, which is “without form and void”, or “in vain”.
God did not created it that way, but it became that way, ¿why?, if we continue
reading Genesis, we will see that since verse two there are already in action
the “darkness upon the face of the abyss”, which is no more and no less than Satan’s
action, the fallen archangel and his hosts of evil together with him. Summing
up why Lucifer reached that position, the archangel, the cherub that was at the
right side of God, and that came to be Satan, the falsifier, when he wanted to
be equal to God and when he wanted to sit himself as God, in God’s throne, and
when Lucifer became darkness, he carried with him in rebellion against God all
his angels, one third of the angels created by God, these are the demons. The
other two thirds of angels are under the service of Michael, the warrior
archangel, and of Gabriel, the messenger archangel. The result of the battle
between Michael and Lucifer was that the earth became without form, a disorder,
something vain, something void of purpose. Before that battle, maybe it was the
time of those gigantic monsters called dinosaurs and of the terrible hominids.
I don’t know, but Genesis logic seems to indicate so. But God did not left this
disorder to continue for a long time, because it can be seen that “the spirit
of God moved over the face of the waters”, and the first thing that this God
Creator says is: “let there be light, and it was light”, so, it is very
important to notice that it doesn’t say “He created the light”, but it says “and he said: let there be light, and it
was light”. Why? Because the light had already been created
in the beginning.
ACC – Now,
when Adam accepted Eve’s invitation, being Eve deceived by the serpent, what
happens is that the earth became hard to cultivate. Then the weeds appeared,
and the plagues, as well as venomous animals, as well as predation and death.
Man loses God’s spirit, losing his continuous connection with God. Stumbling in
life, like a blind man, with the method of trial and error. With
the knowledge of good and evil. Every life on planet earth became
corruptible and easy to be rotten. With the constant menace
of death. Then, the passion and death of creation was not God’s original
purpose, as it says that: “even creation will be freed from the bondage of
corruption”. Contamination, wars and extinction of organisms, were not the
purpose of God. Likewise, weren’t his purpose cataclysms and the catastrophes
that are called today “natural disasters” or those produced by human beings. What happens is that Satan himself participates with
the dominion that he has over all the earth, with his nefarious influence, and
because of that, the evil falls upon mankind. Adam and Eve, when they accepted
the deception disobeying God, they lost everything. And with
them, the whole human race. Satan wished to eliminate every life form
established by God, and he looks the way to do so. But with the arrival of
Jesus Christ, all the panoramic changed, Christ was raised, and with this he
did overcome death, something established by Satan. When he was resurrected, he
provided us the guarantee, that if we believe in our heart that Jesus is our
Lord and that God raised him from the dead, we also will be raised to be with
him forever, we are going to be raised in his coming for us; and nature will see
death, but it will be something provisional, because God, Who raised Jesus
Christ, will restore the order on nature. Then, Satan has his time limit
counted, and is reaching his end. But, while this arrives, he attempts with
every jeans to do evil. But, as stated before, with the resurrection of Jesus
Christ himself, Jesus signed the terminal sentence for Satan, who knows that he
has but a little time, towards his end confined, as if he were nothing. And
God’s creatures again will continue in happiness and without bonds. This will
be the new heaven and the new earth, that will came after the Apocalypse and
that will fulfill the original purpose of God at the beginning of Genesis, and
then, there will be no deceiver, no counterfeiter in the Universe. Let’s see
only two Biblical examples of what will be at that time when the wolf will
dwell with the lamb, and the leopard with the little goat; the calf and the
lion will pace together and a boy will be their shepherd; the cow and the
she-bear will be grazing nearby, and their offspring will lay together, and the
lion with the lamb…”
FR – God
gives the order, which means, he reorders the existence of light. And light
shines again, to prevent the presence of only darkness, which was the purpose
of the serpent. Then, all times that in Genesis God orders something, always
that we read that “he said”, it is because those things that are appearing were
already in existence before, but that was altered by Satan’s rebellion, but at
its own time, reordered by God. But in Genesis, we also find other words with a
purpose, which are: “created”, “formed” and “made”. Are they synonym? ¡No!
Let’s see the meaning of each one. When God says that He “created”, as when he
created the Heavens and the earth, or when He created the big sea monsters, or
when He created man at His image and likeness, what He wants to tell us with
“created” is that God brings into existence something that never before had
existed, and that it happens to be for the first time: He “Created Heavens and
earth” because never before they were, He Created sea animals because never
before they existed as such. And when He Created man, it is because He
injected, so to speak, His own holy spirit, which he didn’t did with any other
living being before. When God says that he “formed” it is because with the
elements already created before, He provides figure for other living beings.
Say, with the same substance brought before with the sea animals, is with which
He forms the rest of animals, and the man as well. And when God says that he
“made” it’s because He put inside the forms something that will give them
movement, an engine of life. It is that something that allows our heart to
continue beating and our life to continue inside us, and we know that what He
did in us is called soul, which is inside our blood and acts like a motor of
life. Then, in man, the apex of God’s creation, what God formed is the body,
what God did is the soul, and what God created is the spirit of God himself
inside man. But the serpent or Satan deceives man and God Himself respects the
freedom of choice of man. But, when the human being is deceived by the serpent,
he loses two things: the holy spirit of God in Him, and the absolute dominion
over planet earth, which man delivers to his adversary, Satan. Let’s remember
that Satan attempts to seduce Jesus Christ asking him worship, and if Jesus had
adored him, the serpent declares that she will give to Jesus all the kingdoms
of the world, “but to me they have been delivered”, the serpent told him. And
who offered the dominion of the planet to the serpent? It was, no more and no
less than Adam, which means “red clay”.
ACC – But,
“the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the eternal God, as the waters
cover the ocean, and Christ will be the raised banner of the people”. And also:
“in the middle of the street of the city, and in one and the other side of the
clean river of the living waters, shining like glass, will be the tree of life,
which produces twelve fruits, providing every month its fruit, and its leaves
will be for the healing of the nations, and there won’t be more curse, and the
throne of God and of the Lamb, Christ Jesus, will be inside it”. With these, we
see that the flora and fauna of the future will experience a change for good, will
be better than the current ones. They will re-emerge, so to speak, even when
now they are subject to passion and death. Every living form, every living
being, will shine with the victory with which Christ Jesus was crowned and
which he came to bring to us as well, to us, the responsible of that light in
this planet. Yes, it will be a global ecocide, but this one, won’t be permanent
nor eternal, and all the species of living organisms that are extinct, will be
again, as the Creator, our eternal God, has in His hands the genetic codes of
life. Then, for that future planetary victory, we must be for ever thankful
with our Lord, Christ Jesus, who will always occupy an exalted place in the
universe in its fullness.
FR – It really
is passionate, as we were commenting before the program. Are always, indeed
interesting, those topics that talk about God, about Christ, and more than
anything in these days, so special, in which we commemorate precisely the
passion, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Thanks to Miss MGF who
felicitates the program. Thanks to HM, thanks madam, she says, “congratulations
for dealing with well directed and profound topics.” Well, I think that, but I
don’t know what do you think Juan, I think that you have a better point of view
than mine on it, however, I think that this kind of topics, even if they are
not so common in this program ecocide, are important, are topics that fill us.
JMG – Well,
trying to do a brief analysis of all that has been dealt with until now, I wish
to mention some related points. First, the text that Fernando sent us, and
hopefully he will get better soon, points out the semantic question of
translations. I want to remind you that one of the first existing books is the
Bible, written in verse. I am going to quote to my dear professor, who
hopefully will be listening to us, Juan José Arreola,
who mentions the great difficulty on doing a translation from one language to
the other, any kind of verse or poems. Being difficult to take poetry into
another language, we need to remember that the same Bible is liable to this
kind of technical implications. It is very good to do this kind of
explanations, and that we will understand that these clarifying related to what
it is written in the Bible, precisely can not be done lightly. One needs to
have a guide to know what’s the meaning of all of this.
We touched this point, neatly in this program ecocide, maybe because of the
season, maybe because the people is more sensitized to this type of things, and
that they may realize that ecology is not simply a scientific or social theme,
but a topic that pervades many areas of the human development, either
scientific, social, ethical, spiritual, universal, a proper aptitude of the
human being.
Now, maybe
people don’t easily grasp it for several reasons. One, which is the most
important, is the automation of human understanding. Man gets too robotic on
understanding things, he gets too dogmatic on canning the information, that
educationally does not question what is he living. He simply says “I must do
this”, and he does it, but don’t sees all the penetrating effects on doing such
an action. Now, actions are not only doings, but for their intentionality. I
can do good things, but if my intentionality is not to do that good I am not
being conscious of what I do. Then, the important thing is for us to be more
conscious.
Then we
find another issue, which is the foreign to man of the religious teaching. We
became too distant to this kind of teachings because of the next points. We are
under a very dogmatic environment. We became completely theorized. We theorize
a lot and practice too few. Personally myself am not considered a religious
person, but I try that my saying is in agreement with my doing, I mean, in
other quotations we find that “who don’t lives as he thinks, ends thinking as
he lives”, which means that he ends justifying his personal experience, instead
of living founded in what he stores in his thoughts, which is very important.
Maybe most of the social problems, in psychology, pedagogically, indeed in all
the branch of the humanities, is because of the poor
congruence present in the human being.
In
everything which is the relation between men among themselves, between men and
nature, is very alien the congruence of men with himself, and this is a clash,
we will had less conflicts man were self-congruent. If a person is willing to
do harm, needs to be conscious of the damages she is doing, but don’t do harm
and damage thinking that she is doing goods. Then, I think that man needs more
reflecting. If we reflect on trivial topics but not on personal issues, what is
inside us, it has been said that man is more afraid of darkness, but not the
one outside, but the inner one. Man trembles anytime he tries to see within
himself …
Unfortunately
the capacity of people always has been underestimated; let’s say, a person goes
to a temple of any religion, sect or social group, spiritual, etcetera, and is
treated in a form as willing to guide her absolutely in everything, and so it
is being underestimated the personal capacity to understand and practice the
principles held there. It is more voracious the action of having millions of
people inside there, to say: “we have that many affiliates” or “we have this
big number of people who shares our beliefs” and this is what makes us strong,
when in reality what makes us strong is the honesty and authenticity of the
principles practiced really in everything within their practical, philosophical
line, ¿no?, this, I think will be very important.
Maybe we
departed a lot in what will be the center of the program, the talk about
ecology, ¿yes?, but let’s see this: If we analyze the
act of pouring down trash in a natural place, to damage a natural landscape, we
mist realize that we are also damaging our own nature. Then, if we want to
analyze this as a human problem in general, we have to observe it not only
scientifically in the aspects of the damage caused to plants, trees, animals,
etcetera, ¿no?, but also to observe it from the philosophical, spiritual,
moral, ethic point of view...
FR – I
notice that, I think there is a point in which we agree, I am totally in
agreement with you in that what you say, that, for example… it is more
important to follow through or to respect a certainty for being personally
convinced, I say, because you consider that, if you are going to kill one of
your kin, or if you are going to steal, or I don’t know, that you yourself are
thinking that what you are doing is wrong, because you believe so, not because
somebody is telling you that such things are bad. I believe that on that, we
totally agree. I wish to tell you Juan, and talking about that, thanks for the
call of Miss VFT, “hello to the study, research and Biblical Communication”, and
she asks, what’s our religion?
JMG – Ours or each one personally? I think that we can talk about religion
separately, it is not that I want to escape the question, but that there are
some things that I deem personal and that I don’t agree to put them in polemics
on air with the public because then it will became a religious program and not
a ecological program. Personally I am not considered of any religion, if with
this she considers to have received an answer, yes? I believe in God and I try
to see congruous between my saying and my doing without attempting against my
nature, very philosophically.
FR – Thanks
to Mr. MR, thanks for the report, he was asking a question to Mr. Curiel, however, he had an emergency leave and is not with
us. We are going to leave the question pending... We have a pause, lets go to
commercials and then we Hill continue in this night.
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… 8 with 27
minutes, we still receiving more phone calls. Thanks Aida who is providing us
the great favor of attending our phone line. We continue in ecocide, MV
felicitates us and asks: What’s the importance of the accuracy…?
ACC - … the accuracy of the word in any kind of translation?
JMG –
Certainly, it is very important for the next, since the origin of concepts,
everything has a foundation. Let’s put an example, there are dictionaries of
synonyms and antonyms. Synonyms are words that are similar, when a word has the
same meaning than the other. Taking into account that etymology is very precise
in saying each thing. Now, it is not only the accuracy of one word but all the
writing. This means, right now in our language we are not giving preferences to
the subjects, to the substantives, to the actions or else, by the opposite
side, in Latin the end phrases are the most important… We, of Spanish Language,
have great conflicts of subjectivity precisely for two reasons: number one, the
bad writing that we have both to write as to speak and that falls in the
subjective, and number two, the pre-established of many words. I think that to
speak a lot about this topic we could talk largely in questions of semantics,
in aspects of semiotics, which is another topic that deals with it, which be
the social interpretation of language and its significance, and I believe that
gladly we could have contact with such person, if he wants to go deeper on the
theme, there are study workshops especially to see the objectivity of language and
I believe that to speak in a clearer form and with the right word for every
situation makes us assertive and to be assertive is to arrive directly and in
the correct way.
FR – We are
going to conclude our program of today Juan, JM, thanks for your presence and
thanks also to AC, as this night we deviated a bit on the theme of ecology,
however, I think that it is, it is very important. Yes, are you going to add
something else?
JMG – Yes,
only to clarify, that as natural beings we can not consent to be attempted. I
relieve that we need to protect ourselves.
FR – Good
night, thanks for your presence, next Tuesday we expect you again in “ecocide.”
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Note: Later in time JMG organized a conference
to which he invited Luis Alonso Schokel, catholic
scholar who also translated the Bible from Hebrew and Greek.
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