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Cop Shoot Cop (CSC/¢$¢) came and went; but I got to see them several times before they went. I saw them at St. Andrew's Hall in Detroit and the Blind Pig in Ann Arbor. I believe I saw them twice at each venue, but I can no longer be sure. Several times were press related (I did phone interviews with Tod and Natz for separate shows; I think at least one was through Erin Norris at Formula; I wonder where she is?). One time I saw them at St Andys they were sandwiched between Soul Coughing (opening) and Girls Against Boys (who said something about they should be opening for CSC). The last time I saw them, they called up someone fom the audience to sing; I was talking to him afterwards, and his named happened to be Todd.
Cop Shoot Cop was almost, but not completely, entirely unlike techno funk. The epithet written on the Suck City EP (File under: "90's Nostalgia") is now additionally humorous(and it'll be even better in about 50 years, when most of us are about to kick off), but isn't descriptive enough yet.
CSC formed from the ashes of Dig Dat Hole, if you want to consider switching Jon Rose to Dave Oiumet as forming from ashes…
CSC morphed into the Red Expendables when Tod left; it was the CSC lineup at the time minus Tod (and was actually recordings begun when they were still together (the Red Ex CD lists the line up as Natz, Phil, JF Coleman, and Michael K. on guitar); according to Phil's saga of the band, they finished up and mixed the CD after Tod left, recorded four more songs, and submitted it to Interscope. The Red Ex CD (which you can buy here) actually has Tod's bass parts on 7 songs, including "Pushing Overload", which is a differently vocaled version of 3AM Incident from the Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack.
Phil's site has a ton of content; MP3s, photos, posters, text; it's what every band page shold be like. Thank Phil for his gifts of content and bandwidth.
See Elysia's old CSC page at this link. It even has a link to my long dead umich CSC page.
5 Song Demo: Mentioned in Your Flesh; appears on an unlicensed German pressing of Dig Dat Hole's Kneejerk on CD. Three (or four) of the songs were also recorded for a Dig Dat Hole demo. Probably recorded 1988.
5-4-3-2-1 DETONATION
CHRYSTLER
HACKING IT OFF
KA KA SMOOCH
THIN WHITE LINE
Headkick Facsimile - LP/Cassette. No known official CD release. Originally released through Supernatural Organization. Rereleased on cassette (©1994) on CSC's own Subvert Entertainment (along with "Robert Tilton Handjob" from the "Pieceman" single) which was availablefrom CSC when they were on tour. Mortar puts the Supernatural release as 1988; New York Eye and Ear Control claims it came out in 1989. The following info is from the cassette: Recorded 10\88 at Fun City, NYC. Engineer: Wharton Tiers.
Tod Ashley: Bass, Vocals
Phil Puleo: Drums, Metal Percussion
Dave Ouimet: Samples, Keyboards
Except for "Robert Tilton Handjob", recorded in Hell by Bob
Tod Ashley: Vocals, Hi End Bass
Jim Coleman: Samples, Tapes
Natz: Low End Bass
Phil Puleo: Drums, Accounting
Dave Ouimet: Samples
Cassette Tracks: A Side: "Shine On Elizabeth", "Mistake", "Smash Retro", "Triumphal Theme". B Side: "Lie", "Fire in the Hole", "Robert Tilton Handjob".
Live at CBGBs - Cassette. Supernatural Organization. 300 copies. You can see a picture of this release at the Consumer Revolt site. It was supposedly recorded in 1989. Here's a track listing from something purporting to be it: Shine On Elizabeth, Fire iin the Hole, Feel Good, Dive, Robert Tilton Handjob, Smash Retro, Burn Your Bridges, Down Come the Mickey, Pity the bastard, LoCommDenom, Dachau Hilton, Eggs for Rib.
This is the only place I've seen the song Dachau Hilton, and Google doesn't give me any relevant hits for the song title. I think it sounds like it morphed into Any Day Now based on the lyrics, but Phil Puleo tells me he thinks one of the beats ended up in Room 429, and that the song is not a cover but a CSC original. Here are the lyrics as I think they are: "Dachau/ Dachau /Dachau /Dachau /Any day now /Any Day now/ Any Day Now /Any Day Now/Enh/ In the lobby of the Dachau Hilton/ Making baskets with a skeleton king/ he is fallen/ he is risen/ I saw the pictures/ It was a beautiful thing/ It was a beautiful thing/ Any day now/ Any day now/ Hey you there with the brick/ you could hurt yourself/ out here in the sticks/ you get so sick of yourself/ Any day now/ any day now/Any day now/ any day now/ (Sundown?)/ (Sundown?)/ Any day now/ Any day now/ Any day now"
There also seems to be a 7" of this based on the Consumer Revolt site picture.
Pieceman - 7" EP. Vertical Records. Spattered in pigs blood. Released in 1989 according to Mortar, but according to New York Eye and Ear Control, it was released in 1990.
Consumer Revolt - LP, CD, cass. Big Cat (ABB33). Originally released on Circuit Records with different cover art than the Big Cat version. Big Cat version has a date of 1992; Mortar says the Circuit release was 1990.
Tod A.: Vocals, High-End Bass
James Coleman: Sampler
Natz: Low-End Bass, Vocals on 13 ("Eggs For Rib")
David Ouimet: Sampler
Phil Puleo: Metal, Drums
1) Lo.Comm.Denom. 2) She's Like A Shot 3) Waiting For the Punchline 4) Disconnected 666 5) Smash Retro! 6) Burn Your Bridges 7) Consume 8) Fire in the Hole 9) Pity the Bastard 10) Down Come the Mickey 11) Hurt Me baby 12) System Test 13) Eggs For Rib (vinyl side break looks to be between 6 and 7). 5 and 8, recorded 10/88 by Wharton Tiers, 4 and 12 were "recorded at some piece of shit studio and doctored up later somewhere else". Everything else recorded 10/89 by Martin Bisi.
White Noise - CD. Big Cat (ABB29CD). 1991.
Tod A: Vocals, High-End Bass, Guitar
Cripple Jim: Sampler, Tapes
Jack Nantz: Low-End Bass, Vocals
Phil Puleo: Drums, Metal
Hugh Foley (Voice on Corporate Protopop)
Killjoy (Voice on Empires Collapse)
1) Discount Rebellion 2) Traitor/Martyr 3) Coldest Day of the Year 4) Feel Good 5) Relief 6) Empires Collapse 7 Corporate Protopop 8) Heads I Win, Tails you Lose 9) Chameleon Man 10) Where's The Money 11) If Tomorrow Ever Comes 12 Hung Again. Recorded 6/91 by Matin Bisi.
Suck City - CD5, EP. Interscope (96116-2). 1992. 1) Nowhere 2) Days Will Pass 3) We Shall Be Changed 4)Suck City
Filer: Samplers & Tapes
Natz: Low End
Phil Puleo: Metal and Drums
Tod A.: High End and Vocals
Room 429 - Promo CD5. Interscope (PRCD 5307) 1) "Room 429", 2) first appearance of "Ambulance Song," 3) unique "Fragment," 4) unique (as far asnon-video) "Shine on Elizabeth" (Live from taping of AVMS "Breaking the Barriers" video session) . There's also a UK single of "Room 429"; I'm unsure if it is identical or not, tho.
Ask Questions Later - CD. Interscope (792250-2). 1993. 1) Surprise, Surprise 2) Room 429 3) Nowhere 4) Migration 5) Cut to the Chase 6) $10 Bill 7) Seattle 8) Furnace 9) Israeli Dig 10) Cause and Effect 11) Got No Soul 12) Everybody Loves You 13) All the Clocks Are broken
The Bastards attributed each track seperately. Here's everyone who appears: Primaries, playing mostly their normal crap on most songs: Tod A, Filer, Natz, Phil Puleo (Migration, only by Phil, Seattle, by Filer and Tod, and Israeli Dig, by Filer. Secondaries: K.J. (Aahs on Room 429), April Chung (Violin on Cut To the Chase), The Motherhead Horns (Jim Colarusso, Joe Ben Plummer, David Ouimet; see Motherhead Bug) on $10 Bill and Got No Soul, Tyrus (Maracas, field recording on Got No Soul). Recorded 11/92 by Marin Bisi, mixed by Roli Mossiman.
$10 Bill - CD5, 12". UK.
Release - CD, LP. Interscope (92424-2) 1994. 1) Interference 2) It only Hurts When I Breathe 3) Last Legs 4) Two At A Time 5) Slackjaw 6) Lullaby 7) Any Day Now 8) Swimming In Circles 9) Turning Inside Out 10) Ambulance Song 11) Suckerpunch 12) The Divorce 13) Money-Drunk. Recorded and mixed by Dave Sardy with Greg Gordon 3/94. Except Ambulance Song, recorded by Martin Bisi.
Tod (A): Vocals, High-end bass
Filer: Samples, piano
Steve McMillen: guitar, trumpet
Jack Nantz: low-end bass, vocals, harmonica
Philip Carey Puleo: Drums, metal and checkbook
David Ouimet: Trombone on 3 and 12.
Money Drunk - Flexi disc. Interscope. Came in a magazine; maybe A.P.? (Consumer Revolt says it was Flipside; could it have been in more than one mag?). Has one track "Money Drunk".
Two At A Time - CD5. Big Cat (ABB68SCD). 1994. 1) "Two At A Time" 2) "It Only Hurts When I Breathe" 3) unique "Anonymous". UK import. Low impact liner notes give little info, other than Dave Sardy mixed with Greg Gordon in March 1994.
Interference - 7inch. Interscope(possibly Subvert) (PR 5804). Promo only?
Any Day Now - CD5. Big Cat (ABB78SCD) 1995. 1) Any Day Now plus unique b-sides 2) 'New God,' 3) 'The Queen of Shinbone Alley,' 4) Transmission. UK import. Same lineup as on Release. Queen of Shinbone Alley has Natz on vocals and was written by him and Rib (who, my impression is, was his girlfriend, and the subject of the Consumer Revolt track "Eggs for Rib"). Transmission is by Tod and Filer.
Electronic press release - contains video for Interference.Floppy disc?
Live From Vienna '91 - CDR. Available from Phil Puleo here. Recorded 1991, put out in 2003. Front insert only (no back insert). Track listing preserves spelling in the CDR: 1) Intro 2) Low Com Denom 3) Surprise Surprise 4) Cameleon Man 5) Burn Your Bridges 6) Relief 7) Shine On Elizabeth 8) Nowhere 9) Swine Hund 10) Feel Good 11) 666 Interlude 12) Down Come the Mickey 13) Pity the Bastard 14) Heads I Win 15) System Test 16) Empires Collapse
Tension '94 (Live From Switzerland '94) - CDR. Available from Phil Puleo here. Previously available as a cassette says Phil, but I have no further info on that. CD-R put out in 2005. Cover is old CSC posters Phil is selling on the site. 1) Cause and Effect 2) It Only Hurts When I Breathe 3) Swimming in Circles 4) Furnace 5) Last Legs 6) Interference 7) Divorce 8)$10 Bill 9) Eggs For Rib 10) Feel Good 11) We Shall Be Changed 12) Sucker Punch 13) Cop Talk 14) Two At A Time 15) Turning Inside Out 16) System Test
Tod A: bass, vocals.
Phil Puleo: drums, perc.
Jim Coleman: keys, samples, bk vocals
J. Natz: bass vocals
Steve McMillen: guitar, trumpet, percussion
D. Sardy: guitar on System Test
Live Sound by Andy Rey
Recorded in Bern &Ebensee, Switzerland between August & September, 1994
Studio tracks available as MP3s (mostly) from Phil Puleo's http://thepolywog.com, but otherwise unreleased (I think these were all from Phil's site, but I could be wrong):
From the final CSC recording sessions; Phil says they're unmixed but they sound great: Transmitter, Get Gone. There were at least two different versions of Get Gone, one that begins with a drumstick count off and one that doesn't; I downloaded the one with drumstick count off in 2000, the one without in 2002.
Hole in the Sky. I think this song was from the final sessions but I'm not sure; the ID3 data is lacking on this MP3. This song is not on Phil's site; I think it came fom there, but I'm not sure.
Baby Broke Down. A song that was a possibility for the Johnny Mnemonic soundtrack.
Peel Sessions 1992: Drop the Bombs, If Tomorrow Ever Comes, Feel Good, Coldest Day of the Year. Alternate versions of songs recorded for John Peel (except Drop the Bombs, which wasn't released in an official manner). I think Peel sessions might be live to tape (i.e., no overdubbing), but I could be wrong…
There seems to be a recording of Honey Why by Cop Shoot Cop, referred to as Honey Why, in spite of a later Firewater setlist calling it "Blue Eyed", while even later for Firewater it became referred to as Honey Why again.
New Music Seminar Artist Breaker CD - CD. 4) She's Like A Shot. Same as the track on Consumer Revolt. No copyrights later than 1990, and the label reference is to Circuit. Misspells Tod as Todd.
Real Estate "New Music From New York"- CD. Ear-Rational Records (ECD 1015). 1990. From West Germany. 7) System Test. This version differs in important ways from the Consumer Revolt version; it contains a spoken wiord introduction similar to the kind the other tracks on the CD have. More importantly, after the intro there is a very quiet track. You need to actually jack your system up really loud to hear it; if you had it that high when the main song kicked in, there's a good chance you'd blow a fuse or at least shock yourself rom the sudden blast. The quiet section goes from about 7 seconds to 2:22. I'm not certain that it's actual CSC content; the vocals are whisper growled, and the structure isn't typical CSC. It makes the song lyrics that the song is meant to fuck your system make sense tho. This CD was produced by Elliott Sharp; I assume that means he put it together. The liner notes make some amusing errors, like two of the song writers are listed as Dimet and Pulso (instead of Ouimet and Puleo).
New York Eye and Ear Control - CD, LP. Matador (OLE 006-1). 1990. Side A 4) Dive. (Unique track). Recorded by Martin Bisi, 10/89 (presumably the Consumer Revolt sessions). The record cover is designed by Subvert Entertainment, explaining its sympathetic feel to the Big Cat Consumer Revolt cover. I wonder if something coming from Subvert means it's by a specific member of the group, or is a collective project.
Mortar - CD. Permis De Construire Deutschland (PPP 104). 2) Chameleon Man 3) Suck City. Austrian import. Slightly different track times from the versions on White Noise and Suck City; I'm pretty sure Chameleon Man is a different version. I think the Suck Cities are the same except for a 1 second variance attributable to silence. The release was approximately 1991, since it mentions the releases of the bands involved, and nothing was released later than 1991. The last CSC release listed was Consumer Revolt in 1990. This implies Suck City was written (and released on Mortar) prior to the release of White Noise in 1991, in spite of the lyric "We're the latest thing since White Noise".
Funky Alternatives 7 - CD. Concrete. 1993. Relief. See the next two entries for probable info. I saw another issuance of this material, more or less, in yet another packaging. It'll probably get added eventually.
Industrial Armageddon - CD. Age of Panik (AOP56). No given year. Disc 2, track 2) Relief. See More Exclusive Alternatives.
More Exclusive Alternatives - CD. Cleopatra (CLP 9967-2). 1997. 9) "Relief". The cover claims it's an exclusive remix. At 2:51, it is technically a different length than the version on "White Noise". But not from the version on Industrial Armageddon. I don't think either is really a remix.
Industrial Virus, Vol. 2 CD 1995 2) Relief. What a surprise.
Industrial Virus CD 1997. 16) Relief. Why would volume 2 have a later date than volume 1? Why would Relief be on both? Who knows?
Industrial Hazard CD1999 Dressed To Kill 16) Relief. Someone licensed the fuck out of this song.
Industrial Machine Musick CD1999 25) Relief. Did I mention that someone licensed the fuck out of the material on these CDs?
Mesomorph Enduros - CD. Big Cat (ABB36CD) 1992. 1) "Room 429". Same version as on Ask Questions Later, barring time variation from silence, tho it claims to have been recorded for the compilation.
The Big Cat Five - CD. Big Cat (ABB67CD). UK. 1994. $10 Bill, It Only Hurts When I Breathe. There's more than 5 bands; why is it called the Big Cat Five? Maybe it was the fifth comp…
Catch A Buzz - CD. Interscope. Promo. 1) "Money Drunk".
S.F.W. Soundtrack - CD. A&M. 1994. 10) Two at a Time
Obdurate - CD. EastWest (9548332852). Australia. 1995. 16) Interference. Sponsored somehow by "HM The Only Hard Music Monthly".
Johnny Mnemonic Soundtrack - CD. Columbia (CK 66909). 1995. 2) "3 AM Incident". Another track, "Baby Broke Down", was recorded for this project, and is available at Phil Puleo's Cop Shoot Cop site on occasion.
The liner notes list the credits as T. Ashley, J. Coleman, P. Puleo, C. Nantz and S. McMillen. The interesting bit there is the C. Nantz, presumeably reflecting Natz's official name. The track was produced by Dave Sardy and CSC.
Helmet/CSC bootleg - 7inch. Micro Records. "Drop the Bombs"
Dick Smoker Plus - CD. Fused Coil Records (9868-63236-2). 1996. 2) "¡Schweinhund!" 3)"¡Schweinhund!" remixed by M. Teho T. of Meathead and Marco Lega 4) track by Meathead "Large American Jaw", remixed by Cop Shoot Cop. This disc is basically a Meathead disc, but half of it comes from a 7" that CSC was involved with, and "¡Schweinhund!" was one of the last officially released CSC songs on CD (probably the last, but I like to hedge).
Mouthful of Sweat - VHS(?). Video compilation (?). 'Shine on Elizabeth' live is on this. Chemical Imbalance/Atavistic.
$10 Bill
Interference
Any Day Now
Stache's, Colombus, Ohio, 3/29/93
1) Surprise Surprise 2) Lo Comm Denom 3) Discount Rebellion 4) Got No Soul 5) Shine On Elizabeth 6) Heads I Win, Tails You Lose 7) Burn Your Bridges 8) Furnace 9) Relief 10) $10 Bill 11) Nowhere 12)Everybody Loves You 13) Cause and Effect 14) All the Clocks Are Broken 15) Loose. Loose is a Stooges cover.
Trading Cards. Well, not really, since they came as a full set; I've misplaced mine at the mooment, but they came with the press packs for Release, and feature band members and their bios…
Natz was in the Black Snakes, for which I have a page.
Foetus "Gash". Tod A. plays bass on seven tracks.
Foetus "Male." David Ouimet plays samplers and trombone on this live album. Presumably on the video for the album, too.
Tod is in Firewater. Dave Ouimet was too.
Cripple Jim was Phyler. And other things. See the main page for details.
Phil drummed for the Swans. And has many other projects. Check the main page for more info.
Dave Ouimet was in Motherhead Bug, for which I have a page.
Natz is now in Lubricated Goat. Check the main page for a link.
Here is article from 1992.
A German(?) intervju with CSC (so, it's been translated into German). It also has a short MP3 of the interview, actually in English, of Natz talking, I think.
Here's the Scaruffi page.
Here's a Phyl interview (I need to make a Phylr page). And another. And a third. And a fourth (for Here).
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