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La victoire de Geneviève Jeanson dans le contre-la-montre de la Classique Redlands le 13 mars 2002 a suscité plein de commentaires sur le FORUM de The Canadian Cyclist. Pas tellement l’avance de 41 secondes sur 5,2 km sur le reste du peloton féminin que le fait qu’elle ait couru plus vite que plein de coureurs masculins connus…
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March 14, 2002 at 15:42 by Crushed by a Beaver Nous n’avons pas retenu tous les messages, entre autres ceux qui ne contiennent que des insultes adressées à Crushed by a Beaver. Mais voici les messages relatifs à Geneviève et des comparaisons hommes-femmes. (Pour ceux d’entre vous qui ne sont pas familiers avec les forums, il vous faut vous habituer avec certaines libertés prises par les auteurs sous le couvert de l’anonymat…) |
Dedication...Come on
March 14, 2002 at 18:25 by Dirty Harry
Dedication? Come on, get real dude. The time trial was only 5 kms. Just admit it, he and a bunch of other guys got kicked by a girl. Whether Hall has dedication or not, whether there were hills or not, he and the other pros she beat should hang up the bike and take up another sport, shoot their trainers, or go to Indonesia for a sex change. Perhaps its time they join the rec riders. She is an exceptional athlete but they aren't fast enough to carry her bags. If they can't keep up on a short time trial like this what the hell are they going to do in a real stage race.
Elvis just retired, I heard there are some spots open in figure skating where they can be judge really subjectively on their dedication and other meaningless criteria. Your comments are sickening and the reason why some people in Canadian cycling accept shitty results like this without holding the riders responsible.
Crush her
March 14, 2002 at 18:41 by King Sherpa Son
She always starts the yr on fire. Her result against the guys is an eye opener but not the end of male ego. Christ she rides more than most of them anyways, and it's only March.
March 14, 2002 at 19:21
I guess all the pro men beyond 20th place should quit. That's where GJ would have finished if in the men's field. Fact is she is world class, and she is female. Get over it. She'll never beat the top men's climbers, but she can beat some of the good ones. You posters with negative comments are just attempting to drag those above you down to your pathetic level.
Taking it easy
March 14, 2002 at 19:26
You don't suppose any of the 100 odd guys she beat were soft pedling a little to save it for the rest of the race? You know all the guys under orders from tier bosses at Saturn, Mercury etc?
March 14, 2002 at 20:47 by peddler
What's wrong with comparing times from the Women's race to the Men's race? It's no crime to get beat by a woman.
When you chauvinistic pigs start realizing that women can be as good as or better than men, then the world will be a better place.
the sexist train
March 14, 2002 at 21:03 by matt
Genevieve is an athlete, plain and simple. She is one of the best. Anyway, Josh is on a very small pro team.
Not that it matters---but "racing with the girls?" sheesh...watch what you say man.
the reason women don't race is...
March 14, 2002 at 21:08 by matt
Guys like you. You're brutal. Scared of being beaten by a "girl?" I have been beat by Clara and dropped by Longo. I wasn't thinking that they were a "girl" but that they were "cyclists."
Go back to the 50's where you belong.
March 14, 2002 at 21:13
jesus christ---why is it when a woman is outstanding no one believes it and she has to be on drugs? (not saying she, or lots other women aren't, like their male counterparts,) BUT why can't she be an enigma--a Lance or Big Mig?
March 15, 2002 at 10:40 by concerned
What is this some kind of love in for people who get their asses kicked ? What shocks me is how weak everyone who has posted here is. Hall doesn't need your support or excuses he needs to get his ass in gear. People wonder why our athletic system in Canada is so pathetic, well you don't have to go much further than this website to see that weakness is bread in our minds.
NO MORE EXCUSES!
Too Bad Hall Got Dissed but........
March 15, 2002 at 10:55:45 E.S.T. by The Scientist
Any cyclist on here, especially those making excuses for slow riders, should look at yourself and sport real closely. Cycling is all about the continuous strength to weight ratio which dictates power output over time. As any physicist can tell you speed is a function of power output and mass in addition to a number of other factors such as grade, rolling resistance and wind drag.
I hate to have admit this to the person who wrote this but, unfortunately, Hall and the rest of those riders trashed by Beaver Cleaver just don't have relative power (power for their body mass as I am assuming the bikes are non-factors as everyone has relatively the same technology) to keep up with this girl. Soft riding or not, the reality is that if Hall doesn't change his strength to weight ratio then he is going nowhere in cycling. And please don't suggest that Hall is cycling for anything other than maximizing his results either because if you ask him he says wants to win the big ones.
For you non-scientific types who need a concrete example as an illustration, try Armstrong before and after cancer.
Sorry to be harsh but there are certain laws of nature you just can't overlook. No its not easy to get to do but please no more excuses that ignore some common laws of nature that we all have to live with.
March 15, 2002 at 11:14:04 E.S.T. by Bill Dillon
However, the great thing about this site is that people are entitled to and can express their own opinions no matter how different they are to yours. Admittedly, this thread may be tough on Hall and the other guys down there but can you imagine what might happen in Italy when the press saw one of their National Team get beat by a woman. Now that would be a blood bath.
March 15, 2002 at 11:20:36 E.S.T. by Ex Pro
The boys got beat by GJ almost as bad as a rented mule. Go GJ. You rock. I think she and Lynn should race the Nationals in the men's division just to shut you cry babies up.
to scientest
March 15, 2002 at 19:06
You my friend are an idiot. Yes, power/weight ratio is important. BUT try doing a flat TT or a flat road race (Holland) when you are a 130 lb waif. You'll get screwed over. Weight is mainly a factor when hills come into play, it's a little thing called potential energy (which is only present when there is a height, PE=mgh, you would know that if you had taken grade 11 physics) Kinetic energy (KE=1/2mv2) has no weight factor in it. Weight isn't that much of a factor on flat races. Go race in Holland, or in Germany in the crits... all of the guys are 170 lbs, lots of muscle, they will work over any 120 pound tour climbing specialist on the flats.
Weight is important in cycling because there is often hills present, but don't go acting like you know what's up with science and have nothing to back it up. My point is that your point is invalid and I think your post should be removed, based on it's incorrectness.
to the kid who is a scientist
March 15, 2002 at 20:20
Wow, last poster. That was a great post. If you had actually *read* the post, before thinking about how you smart you were going to sound in a rebuttal......you would have noticed that was precisely the poster's point: power/weight ratio is indeed quite significant in the hills---especially the hills. The TT was a hillclimb, that was his point.
Remove a post for incorrectness? Then there'd be no forum. Sheesh.
Hey Josh Hall
March 19, 2002 at 9:21 by Inquiring Mind
Hey Josh Hall: Could you please put this to rest and tell us your opinion and views on the subject.
March 19, 2002 at 14:45 by Josh
Ok, I got beat by a girl. So what. She happens to be one of the best, and it was bound to happen. I had an off day, and she was on. That's racing. Tell you what though... it'll never happen again!
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