Answering Sajita & Exposing Her Deliberate Lies - # 2
The following is a response
to Ms. Shirley Isaac (a.k.a. Sajita) and her
deliberate lies against both the Quran and her own, Christian, holy books. My
texts will be in BLUE colour while Sajita’s
will be in BLACK colour.
Sajita’s original article can be found on this
page.
Yi Shan's challenge for me to show two
verses from New Testament which explicitly says that
1. Jesus is God..
2. Worship me as God
The little lady is starting
off by committing a very big lie when she left out a very important part of my
challenging statement to all of Christendom! My challenge was as follows:
Show me two verses from
your own NT books in which Jesus says EXPLICITLY IN HIS OWN WORDS that:
(1) He is God; and
(2) Asks you to worship
him as such.
Of course the lady could not
quote my exact request since it will EXPOSE her inability to back up her pagan
doctrines with scriptural proofs. It should suffice right here and now to
reject all of this nonsensical article of the lady since she has lied to start
with and has based most of her so-called proofs on a false statement, however,
since this issue was addressed in the past and she failed to produce the
requested verses; she had to resort to strawman
attacks against the quran, which was not part of what
she was asked to produce in support of her pagan, man-made doctrines.
I will now address all her
fallacies one-by-one and let the reader be the judge to her inability to
produce what she was called to do.
I showed him only one verse from the New Testament which exactly meets
the challange of Yi Shan.
Here it is: This is spoken by JESUS
Rev 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,"
says the Lord, "who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."
When I accuse the lady of
lying in the name of her cross, she cries out “where did she lie?”, however, I
will show her and all that she is one of the worst liars among the poor excuses
of Christian apologists:
1. Every little kid who knows
anything about the NT books would tell you that the book of dreams (a.k.a.
Revelation of John) is just that, a dream by someone they claim to be “John the
disciple of Jesus”; see Revelation 1. Now the surprising fact is that the author of this book is making
it abundantly clear that he is narrating a vision;
2. What I asked Sajita to produce were THE EXPLICIT WORDS OF JESUS, not the
dreams of a dreamer who claims things, which if taken seriously would debunk Sajita’s man-god doctrines hands down!
Can you see what Jesus said in this verse?
"the Alpha"
"the Omega"
"the beginning"
"the End",
"the Lord"
"Who is"
"Who was"
"Who is to come"
"THE ALMIGHTY"
Once more, we turn her
attention to the above where it is proven that the words of Revelation are not
those of Jesus but of the dreamer; she fails again!
Further Yi Shan's challenge was
I will not accept any interpolated verses or words of other NT characters, I need the EXPLICIT WORDS OF JESUS ACCORDING TO
THE TWO SIMPLE POINTS ABOVE.
And My reply was:
Sure, you asked two verse but I have given you only ONE verse which makes
it quite clear that Jesus is the mighty God. If you have more doubt, I can give
you more!
Now Yi Shan comes back with his new arguments that, "I have quoted a verse from Revelation which is not the explicit word of Jesus but someone's vision/dream. He says further and I quote, "This is where we get to show her that God is God and His messenger is His messenger! But we do not present one verse, we give her a few of them so as to prove our point. Sajita has to remember that the quran is the word of Allah (arabic name of God)"
I am really surprised at Sajita’s avoidance of the inevitable, her failure to
produce the requested proofs; now she tries to evade things by branching out into
half-truths and half-quotes of my words!
First she tries to avoid the
presentation of proofs in Jesus’ own and explicit words, then she starts to
quote my words out of context! But, she still has not met the challenge; for
how can she present something that does not exist in her NT books and she knows
it but will not admit her paganism!
First he asked to show TWO VERSES from NEW TESTAMENT of Jesus's
explicit word of being God. Now when I showed him only ONE VERSE, he says that
it is dreams and revelations. Then I asked to him, "Can you please tell me
that who wrote Quran and whose dream or vision it was? Can you please tell me were is explicit words of Allah in Quran when Mohammed never
SAW ALLAH nor HEARD ALLAH'S VOICE? QURAN is what? If Quran is not dream and
vision then whose word is it? Mohammed's?
Again, the lying lady
continues to evade the question and indulges in the usual strawman
illogic to escape her doom; the subject was not the Quran to start with but her
failure to back up pagan doctrines had forced her to seek an exit from the
subject and turn into the “best defence is an offence” tactic! But this will
not save her hide from the scolding that she will get further down this post.
As to her folly of questions
about the Quran, here are the answers so as not to be accused of being
incapable of answering a wimp like her:
Who wrote the Quran? The Quran was not handed down on paper, it
was revealed from God (Allah) to His messenger Muhammad through the archangel
Gabriel. The prophet recited the revelations day and night as he prayed and
taught them to his companions for a period of 23 years, the duration of the
revelation of the Quran. The prophet had scribes from among his companions who
wrote down the Quranic revelations as they were
revealed on bones, hides and any other available means of their time.
Who’s words is the Quran? The Quran is the word of God revealed to
His prophet as mentioned above; the prophet was a messenger who conveyed the
message, he did not author it nor claimed to be its author. I challenge the
lying lady to produce any evidence to the contrary from Islamic sources such as
the Quran itself or from the authentic prophet hadiths
(sayings)!
Does a prophet need to see
God in order to receive revelation? The answer is a definite “NO”, revelations from God came in many
ways, most of the time they are conveyed through the archangel of God Gabriel
as Sajita’s own holy books reveal and I challenge her
to dispute this fact!
He wrote down so many Quranic verses which did not
even sounded like EXPLICIT words of Allah. Here are they
Sura 3:[18] There is no god
but He: that is the witness of Allah, His angels, and those endued with
knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no god but He
the Exalted in Power, the Wise.
The above verse is the direct
word of God; can’t you read English? Check the words “THAT IS THE WITNESS OF
ALLAH”, the verse starts as follows in Arabic “shahida
Allah-u annah-u la ilaha illa howa” (Allah witnessed that
there is no God except Him). This is a direct statement by Allah Himself and
your poor comprehension of the words is no fault of the Quran!
This verse is sounding like some third person is talking. I do not see as if
Allah spoke these things here.
Sura 20:[10] Behold, he saw
a fire: so he said to his family, "Tarry ye; I perceive a fire; perhaps I
can bring you some burning brand therefrom, or find
some guidance at the fire."
Sura 20:[11] But when he
came to the fire, a voice was heard: "O Moses!
Sura 20:[12] "Verily I
am thy Lord! therefore (in My presence) put off thy
shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa.
Sura 20:[13] "I have
chosen thee: listen, then to the inspiration (sent to thee).
Sura 20:[14] "Verily, I
am Allah: there is no god but I: so serve thou Me (only), and establish regular
prayer for celebrating My praise.
Sura 20:[15] "Verily
the Hour is coming - My design is to keep it hidden - for every soul to receive
its reward by the measure of its Endeavour.
This is another lame attempt
by the defeated lady to justify her failure to produce the requested evidence
from her books! Let us see what the verses of Chapter 20 of the Quran say? We
can get the full truth by quoting the full context, shall we?
[1] Ta-ha.
[2] We have
not sent down the Quran to thee to be (an occasion) for thy distress,
[3] But only
as an admonition to those who fear (Allah),
[4] A
revelation from Him Who created the earth and the heavens on high.
[5] (Allah)
Most Gracious is firmly established on the throne (of authority).
[6] To Him
belongs what is in the heavens and on earth, and all between them, and all
beneath the soil.
[7] If thou
pronounce the word aloud, (it is no matter); For
verily He knoweth what is secret and what is yet more
hidden.
[8] Allah! there is no god but He! To Him belong the Most Beautiful
Names.
[9] Has the
story of Musa reached thee?
[10] Behold,
he saw a fire: so he said to his family, "Tarry ye; I perceive a fire;
perhaps I can bring you some burning brand therefrom,
or find some guidance at the fire."
[11] But when
he came to the fire, a voice was heard: "O Musa!
[12]
"Verily I am thy Lord! therefore (in My presence)
put off thy shoes: thou art in the sacred valley Tuwa.
[13] "I
have chosen thee: listen, then to the inspiration (sent to thee).
[14] "Verily, I am Allah: there is no god but I: so serve
thou Me (only), and establish regular prayer for
celebrating My praise.
[15] "Verily the Hour is coming - My design is to keep it hidden -
for every soul to receive its reward by the measure of its Endeavour.
[16] "Therefore let not such as believe not therein but follow their own lusts, divert thee therefrom,
lest thou perish!"
[17] "And what is that in thy right hand, O Musa?"
[18] He said, "It is my rod: on it I lean; with it I beat down
fodder for my flocks; and in it I find other uses."
What do the verses tell us?
They tell us what they say from verses 1-2 and also from verse 14 and finally
from verse 17.
This is also sounding like some third person is telling the story of Moses's experience. I do not see as if Allah spoke these thing here.
Sura 22:[62] That is because
Allah, He is the Reality: and those besides Him whom they invoke, they are but
vain Falsehood: verily Allah is He, Most High, Most Great.
Sura 22:[9] "O Moses! verily, I am Allah, the Exalted in Might, the Wise!...
Sura 22:[10] "Now do thou throw thy rod!"
But when he saw it moving (of its own accord) as if it had been a snake, he
turned back in retreat, and retraced not his steps: "O Moses!" (it was said): "Fear not: truly, in My presence, those
called as Messengers have no fear,
Sura 22:[11] "But if any have done wrong and
have thereafter substituted good to take the place of evil, truly, I am
Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
Sura 22:[12] "Now put
thy hand into thy bosom, and it will come forth white without stain (or harm):
(these are) among the nine Signs (thou wilt take) to Pharaoh and his people:
for they are a people rebellious in transgression."
For verse 22:62, go back to
verse
Again it is sounding like some third person is telling the story of Moses. I do
not see as if Allah spoke these thing here.
Sura 28:[30] But when he
came to the (Fire), a voice was heard from the right bank of the valley, from a
tree in hallowed ground: "O Moses! verily I am
Allah, the Lord of the Worlds....
Sura 28:[31] "Now do thou throw thy rod!"
But when he saw it moving (of its own accord) as if it had been a snake, he
turned back in retreat, and retraced not his steps: "O Moses!" (it was said), "draw near, and fear not: For thou art of
those who are secure.
Sura 28:[32] "Move thy
hand into thy bosom, and it will come forth white without stain (or harm), and
draw thy hand close to thy side (to guard) against fear. Those are the two
credentials from thy Lord to Pharaoh and his Chiefs: for truly they are a
people rebellious and wicked."
Again it is sounding like some third person is talking. I do not see as if
Allah spoke these thing here.
I hate to repeat myself so
many times and wish the lying lady would stop her nonsense, but to be fair to
the reader, here we go again with the context that tells us God is speaking in
the above verses of chapter 28:
[1] Ta, Sin, Mim.
[2] These are Verses of the Book that makes (things) clear.
[3] We
rehearse to thee some of the story of Musa and Fir'aun in Truth, for people who believe.
The lady has no case or legs
to stand upon, she fails miserably every time she
tries to attack the word of God! But she still did not produce the requested
verses so far!
Yi Shan wrote further that, "Now compare the above verses about
Moses' encounter with God from the quran with the one
from the bibleS:
from KJV:
Ex
Now this is the bibleS' account! "I am that I
am" or as some hebrew jews put it: "I will be that I will be"! How
about it sajita?! But, nonetheless, yhwh did declare himself to Moses; all we need is for you
to give us two single verses EXPLICITLY the words of jesus,
whom you worship falsely as God, in which he says that he is "God"
and "to worship him as such"?! Can you do that without mixing up
EXPLICIT with dreams?!!! I leave you now with some more quranic
verses for your eyes only, some of them do describe
your dilemma and kafir (blasphemous) doctrines!!!
My answer: See the difference between the Quranic
verses and Bible verses. Bible very clearly says that "God said unto
Moses" which we do not see in Quran. And yes, I gave you the EXPLICIT word
of Jesus. How Moses could hear the word of God? If you think it was not the
VISION of Moses then what it was? Can you please explain?
Sura 31:[30] That is because
Allah is the (only) Reality, and because whatever else they invoke besides Him
is Falsehood; and because Allah, He is the Most High, Most Great.
Sura 31:[31] Seest thou not that the ships sail through the Ocean by the
grace of Allah? That He may show you of His Signs? Verily in this are Signs for
all who constantly persevere and give thanks.
I did not see any sign of Allah in this passage but I could only see the story
spoken by a THIRD PERSON about Moses's experience
with God.
Sura 40:[62] Such is Allah,
your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no god but He: then how ye are
deluded away from the Truth!
Sura 40:[63] Thus are
deluded those who are wont to reject the Signs of Allah.
Sura 40:[64] It is Allah Who has made for you the
earth as a resting place, and the sky as a canopy, and has given you shape -
and made your shapes beautiful - and has provided for you Sustenance, of things
pure and good; such is Allah your Lord, so Glory to Allah, the Lord of the
Worlds!
Sura 40:[65] He is the
Living (One): there is no god but He: call upon Him, giving Him sincere
devotion. Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds!
Again it sounds like someone is speaking about Allah. I do not see explicit
words of Allah. Yishan, it is really not possible
that you can ever find any explicit word of Allah in Quran because Mohammed
never heard him nor saw him.
Sura 46:[33] See they not
that Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth, and never wearied with their
creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yea, verily He has power over all
things.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 47:[19] Know,
therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for the fault,
and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and
how ye dwell in your homes.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 58:[18] One Day will
Allah raise them all up (for Judgment): then will they swear to Him as they
swear to you: and they think that they have something (to stand upon). No,
indeed! they are but liars!
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 58:[19] The Evil One
has got the better of them: so he has made them lose the remembrance of Allah.
They are the Party of the Evil One. Truly, it is the Party of the Evil One that
will Perish!
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 58:[20] Those who
resist Allah and His Messenger will be among those most humiliated.
Sura 58:[21] Allah has
decreed: "It is I and My Messengers who must prevail": for Allah is
One full of strength, able to enforce His Will.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 65:[12] Allah is He Who
created seven Firmaments and of the earth a similar number. Through the midst
of them (all) descends His Command: that ye may know that Allah has power over
all things, and that Allah comprehends all things in (His) Knowledge.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 15:96 Those who adopt,
with Allah, another god: but soon will they come to know.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 23:117 If anyone
invokes, besides Allah, any other god, he has no authority therefor;
and his reckoning will be only with his Lord! And verily the Unbelievers will
fail to win through!
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH
Sura 28: 88 And call not,
besides Allah, on another god. There is no god but He.
Everything (that exists) will perish except His own
Face. To Him belongs the Command, and to Him will ye (all) be brought back.
Again it is spoken by THIRD PERSON not by ALLAH. I reached to the
conclusion that there is no EXPLICIT words of Allah in Quran but what is
written in Quran is spoken by some third person who told about Allah, Mohammed
etc..
As we see the lady is full of bull and is empty of any sincere
effort to present the requested verses, she goes around in circles and tries to
evade the main issue; we have EXPOSED her lying ways when she quotes verses
without first checking their context, now she repeats more verses out of their
context but I am not going to address each one of them; It would suffice to
prove her wrong by showing the context of two more from the above group.
Chapter 23: (see the following verse that precedes verse 117)
23: [115] "Did ye then think that We
had created you in jest, and that ye would not be brought back to Us (for
account)?"
Chapter 28: (see the following verse that precedes verse 88)
28: [75] And from each people shall We
draw a witness, and We shall say: "Produce your Proof": then shall
they know that the Truth is in Allah (alone), and the (lies) which they
invented will leave them in the lurch.
Each verse that the lying lady presented can be addressed by the
same way if the context is read, however, Christians like Sajita
are known to be dishonest and deceptive people when it comes to dealing with
the Quran and it shall be my duty from now on to EXPOSE her for all that she
has done on her site.
Back to our initial topic and request; I still do not see any
verses by the explicit words of Jesus stating that he is “God” nor asking Sajita to worship him as such; actually to put her lame
polemics to rest, I shall quote something from the book of dreams that speaks
the opposite of what she is trying to tell us from that book; so she either has
to accept contradictions in her book or quit using this dream!
Revelation
3: "7 And to the angel of the church in
Philadelphia write: `The words of the holy one, the true one, who has the key
of David, who opens and no one shall shut, who shuts and no one opens. "` 8 I know your works. Behold, I have set before you an open
door, which no one is able to shut; I know that you have but little power, and
yet you have kept my word and have not denied my name. 9 Behold, I will make those of
the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not, but lie--behold,
I will make them come and bow down before your feet, and learn that I have
loved you. 10 Because you have kept my word of
patient endurance, I will keep you from the hour of trial which is coming on
the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth. 11 I am coming soon; hold fast what you
have, so that no one may seize your crown. 12
He who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God; never
shall he go out of it, and I will write on him the name of my God, and the name
of the city of my God, the
new Jerusalem which comes down from my God out of heaven, and my own new
name. 13 He
who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to
the churches.'