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1) News | top
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Dot1web Headlines
2/24/00 (TahoeTrib) -- Births
Company Press Releases
10/21/02
-- Dot1web, Inc. Reports Completion of Merrger with LowestBids.com and Drive4u.com
11/07/02
-- Dot1web Inc. Offers Least Expensive Unllimited Internet Access in the U.S. Among Major Providers
11/7/02
-- Another Copy
12/14/02
-- Dot1web Releases Real-Time Tool to Redeefine and Localize the Internet and Wireless Applications
12/19/02
-- Dot1web, Inc. Directors Approve Stock RRepurchase Plan
12/18/02
-- Dot1web Announces Nationwide Merchant AAcquisition and Growth Strategy
Stock Market Info
AdvisorInsight.com -- The latest S&P financial data for DTWB.
Yahoo.com -- The latest DTWB chart and press releases.
PinkSheets.com -- Latest DTWB stock quote and company info.
References to Dot1web
FreedomList.com -- The largest forum with lots of hearsay, wild rumors and
gossip, most of it true.
The Freedom to Rewrite History
Discussion forums can be censored and deleted over time, so we save copies of them here
every once in a while.
Internet archives such as the Wayback Machine
or google's
cached pages
can also be a good source of data, but we save pages too. These webpages have be saved exactly as found on FreedomList.com.
The messages from 1/09 and 1/11 are only available here.
Click on the number to see the archived copy.
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Number | Topic | Current Status | 2/20 | 1/30 | 1/24 | 1/19 | 1/17 | 1/14 | 1/11 | 1/10 | 1/09 | 1/03 | 1/02 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
p987 | User Reviews, Pg.1 | Don't Post Here | 134 | 97 | 71 | 50 | 45 | -- | 162* | 155 262* | 217* | 38 | 32 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
User Reviews, Pg.2 | (censored) | 134 | 97 | 71 | 50 | 45 | -- | 162* | 155 | 220* | n/a | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
User Reviews, Pg.3 | -- | 134 | 97 | -- | -- | -- | -- | 162* | 155 | 220 | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
User Reviews, Pg.4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 162* | 155 | 220* | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
User Reviews, Pg.5 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 162* | 155 | 220* | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
User Reviews, Pg.6 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 220* | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
2386 | New free ISP or is it? Pg.1 | Idle since June'02 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | 20 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
New free ISP or is it? Pg.2 | -- | 9 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
4769 | How about this one? | Idle since Feb'02 | 3 | 3 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
5682 | Cheapest of the Cheap | Updated 1/9/03 | 1 | 1 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
6177 | Web Wide ISP | Idle since Feb'02 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
6551 | New Free ISP in NV soon | Idle since 1/4/03 | 19 | 17 | 17 | 16 | 16 | 16 | -- | -- | -- | -- | 7 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
7499 | Not What They Promised | Idle since Nov'02 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | 18 | -- | -- | -- | -- | 18 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9085 | WWISP Works Great | Censored | 13 | 13 | 13 | 13 | 13 | 13 | 10 | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9108 | WebWide | Idle since 1/3/03 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9289 | Can We Trust? | Idle since 1/4/03 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9312 | What's the Truth? Pg.1 | POST HERE | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What's the Truth? Pg.2 | (MOST ACTIVE) | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 13 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What's the Truth? Pg.3 | -- | 20 | 20 | 20 | 20 | 17 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What's the Truth? Pg.4 | -- | 19 | 9 | 7 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9390 | dot1web discussion | Locked 1/13/03 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 5 | 3 | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9407 | You Mean Me? | Locked 1/14/03 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9611 | home addresses | Idle since 2/01/03 | 1 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9630 | webwide isp | Idle since 2/10/03 | 14 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
9690 | scam!!! | Locked 2/10/03 | 4 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
none | Newest Reviews | Always Changing | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | -- | 10* | -- | -- | -- | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Search for 'dot1web' | -- | 11 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 8 | 8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Search for 'webwideisp' | -- | 20 | 16 | 16 | 16 | 15 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Search for 'DeMaio' | -- | 10 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | -- | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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FuckedCompany New!
These days, the big website for industry rumors, advance notice,
and in-the-know corporate scandals is not exactly The Wall Street Jounal.
Nope. Insiders read FuckedCompany.com
and Dot1web is in it!
There's not much in it, but these are the archives of we found.
The comments about Robert DeMaio go back two years.
ARCHIVED COPIES for 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
SEARCH PHRASE | Message Dates | 2/20 | 1/30 | 1/24 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dot1web (11) | 12/17/02 - 1/15 | 10 | 10 | 10 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dot1web, Pg.2 (11) | 12/17/02 - 1/15 | 1 | 1 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Drive4u (2) | 1/15 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
LowestBids (1) | 1/15 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
WebWideISP (1) | 1/15 | 1 | 1 | 1 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
DeMaio (5) | 12/30/00 - 1/15 | 5 | 5 | 5 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Incline Village (2) | 1/3 - 1/7 | 2 | 2 | 2 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Note: Two years ago (Dec. 2000), Robert DeMaio already made the news once. "rather than telling anyone that money was tight first he layed of 80% of the staff" and floated bad paychecks.
So where else can an employee go when a company writes paychecks that have no money behind them? When the company does it repeatedly, not once, not twice, but more than seven payrolls, not to mention vendors?
Search Hints
No search engine covers the entire web very well, so we use a number of them.
Also, search results change over time (and lame places like
RGJ.com don't even index articles over 14 days old!),
so once we find something we archive it here for permanent reference.
Search for "Bob DeMaio" on TahoeBonanza.com (9) TahoeDailyTribune.com (2) NevadaAppeal.com (6) RGJ.com (2) Google.com AllTheWeb.com Yahoo.com MSN.com Lycos.com AskJeeves.com AOL.com InfoSeek.com Overture.com WebCrawler.com AltaVista.com InfoSpace.com LookSmart.com HotBot.com |
Search for "Dot1web" on TahoeBonanza.com (9) TahoeDailyTribune.com (1) NevadaAppeal.com (5) RGJ.com (2) Google.com AllTheWeb.com Yahoo.com MSN.com Lycos.com AskJeeves.com AOL.com InfoSeek.com Overture.com WebCrawler.com AltaVista.com InfoSpace.com LookSmart.com HotBot.com |
Careful, Not This Bob!
Robert Charles DeMaio, CEO of Dot1web
in Incline Village, Nevada, is not to be confused with:
2) Freedom Motorcycles | top
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Dot1web became a public company, not through an Initial Public Offering (IPO) but by purchasing a company (Freedom Motorcycles, OTC:FMCY) that was already publicly traded. Who are these people? What are they doing?
Norton Headlines
Freedom Motorcycles got involved with Dot1web because it was going out of business
and needed a buyer.
This is some of its history, just to figure out who's done what.
4/16/98 (AmericanMotor.com) -- Norton Motorcycle Reborn!
4/21/99 (AmericanMotor.com) -- Norton Motorcycles Goes Public
11/17/99 (AmericanMotor.com) -- As Norton Posts Loss, Its Design Company Issues Statement
12/24/99 (AmericanMotor.com) -- Norton Motorcycles Announces Commencement of Litigation
3/24/00 (AmericanMotor.com) -- Norton CEO Charged With Fraud
11/17/00 (TheBusinessJournal) -- Big Judgments Haunt Norton
8/08/02 (AmericanMotor.com) -- Norton's B-a-a-a-c-k!
8/22/02
(TradingCharts.com) -- FMCY Gives Results of Shareholder Meeting
12/3/02
(Norton GmbH) -- Warning for investors in a certain Minnesota Motorcycle Company
Norton GmbH is a German company, formed to sell and support the 20-year old models, only in that country.
Click here for one editorial opinion,
based on the news articles below and information from a number of ex-employees.
3) How to Find Information | top
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Step 1) First, look for every possible name
on the free websites.
USSearch.com
KnowX.com
Try to find every county, in every state, where the individuals and businesses may have records.
Step 2) Check the following lists
for likely places to find related public records.
http://www.searchsystems.net/list.php?nid=95 -- Over 250 free sources.
http://www.search4crime.com/states/california.htm.
-- Hundreds of online resources.
http://www.dhs.cahwnet.gov/hisp/chs/OVR/localregindex.htm.
http://www.dfendyourself.com/link_directory/san_bernardino_county_recorder.html.
http://www.howtoinvestigate.com/california.htm.
http://tinyurl.com/4lzs.
http://www.lawresearch.com/investigate/countycity.htm.
http://www.4-pre-employment.com.
Step 3) Check every county where they may have a record
Look for four specific things:
Step 4) If all else fails, RTFM!
Read the "Manual of Corporate Investigation"
http://134.68.115.97/organizeindiana/Documents/Manual%20of%20Corporate%20Investigation.pdf
Help! Has anyone hired a private investigator, done a background check, or used a paid service to search public records?
Let us know what you found!
Other names to check on:
Genesis Capitol Group, Inc., Equity Automotive, Inc., MTB Inc., Ausam Corp., Stonehenge Inc., Norton Motorcycles, Freedom Motorcycles, Drive4U.com, Dot1Web Inc., Lowestbids.com
4) Company History | top
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Checking internet domain registrations, we can establish useful dates, addresses and phone numbers.
Website History
This is the order that the seventeen Dot1web websites were created.
Notice the gaps in time, showing how their ideas gradually evolved.
1/25/99 -- Drive4U.com registered to
5) Financial Statements | top
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Live Page | ARCHIVED COPIES for 2003 | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Profile | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Background | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Management | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Stock Data | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Annual | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Interim | 2/20 | 1/19 | -- | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
These are the numbers stated to the public by the company. The annual report shows some nice growth, growing by a factor of almost ten from 2000 to 2001. Of course, realize that these figures are for the twenty year old holding company that used to be known as Freedom Motorcycles. The figures shown to the public have nothing to do with the current website businesses (Drive4u.com, LowestBids.com, WebWideISP.com, etc) until starting Sept. 3, 2002. The size and growth of the website business is kept strictly private until then.
Excerpts:
"INCORPORATED: in Minnesota Feb. 5, 1982, as Equity Automotive, Inc.; name changed to MTB, Inc. Jan. 31, 1996, to Ausam Corp. June 26, 1997, to Stonehenge Inc. June 14, 1999, to Freedom Motorcycles Inc. Oct. 9, 2001, and to Dot1Web, Inc. Sept. 3, 2002."
"STOCKHOLDERS: 226 as of May 15, 2002.
PRINCIPAL STOCKHOLDER: September 4, 2002, Robert DeMaio owned 93.0% of the Common."
6) Directors and Officers | top
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OFFICERS: | |||||
John L. Fiebelkorn | Chairman, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Executive Officer | ||||
John Lai | VP | ||||
Terry L. Nesbitt | VP | ||||
DIRECTORS: | Todd A. Duckson | John L. Fiebelkorn | Robert DeMaio | John Lai | |
Once the acquisition was completed, the board of directors then looked like this.
OFFICERS: | |||||||
Robert DeMaio | Chairman, President, Secretary & Chief Executive Officer | ||||||
Colin Quinn | VP, Treasurer & Chief Financial Officer | ||||||
Larry Warkentin | Investor Relations Contact | ||||||
DIRECTORS: | Robert DeMaio | Joseph Franco | Waldemar Langeman | Colin Quinn | Larry Warkentin | | |
What can we know about these people?
Robert C. "Bob" DeMaio
(age 40) President, CEO, Chairman of Board 775-833-1465 (cell) 775-750-2044 (cell) Wife: Carrie AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
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Colin E. Quinn
(age 43) Acting CFO, Board Member 818-512-6901 (cell) Wife: Diane AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has (NV) records in:
KnowX.com has (CA) records in:
KnowX.com has (other) records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
Mr. Quinn owns C-Lan, Inc.
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Brian Wanbaugh
(age 24) CTO Dayton, NV 775-230-1226 (cell) Wife: none AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
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Notice that the first four directors with large investments in Dot1web (Bob DeMaio, Colin Quinn, Larry Warkentin, Joseph Franco) all have connections to Las Vegas.
Help! Is anyone interested in this enough to pay $100 for a full background check?
We'll post the results here as a public service.
Board of Directors
Dot1web had five board members: Bob DeMaio, Colin Quinn, and ...
Larry G. Warkentin
(age 56) Network Sales Incline Village, NV 775-750-4969 (cell) Wife: Candace "Candy" AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
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Joseph "Mike" Franco
(age 42) Business Development 209-345-7036 (cell) Wife: unknown AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has (NV) records in:
KnowX.com has (CA) records in:
KnowX.com has (other) records in:
WhitePages.com shows: WhitePages.com shows:
WhitePages.com shows: |
Waldemar W. Langeman "Wally"
(age 64) Board Member Wife: Lucille AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
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New! 1/30/03 -- Apparently, director Mike Franco resigned in November 2002, and Larry Warkentin resigned in December, 2002.
Does that mean they have no legal responsibilies here?
Are there any legal reponsibilities in any case, whatsoever?
Freedom Motorcycles, Board of Directors
Dot1web initially started with directors that were involved in the acquisition of Freedom Motorcycles.
John Lawrence Fiebelkorn
(age 64) Board Member Excelsior, MN Wife: unknown AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
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Todd Allen Duckson
(age 36) Board Member Partner in Duckson - Carlson. (This is Dot1web's law firm) Minneapolis, MN Wife: unknown AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
The Audubon Center says:
Duckson-Carlson, LLC
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John Lai
(age 39) Board Member Minneapolis, MN Wife: unknown AnyBirthday.com shows possible:
USSearch.com has records in:
KnowX.com has records in:
WhitePages.com shows:
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Excerpt: "In its Complaint, the Commission alleged that from about
1989 until June 1991, several individuals engaged in an
elaborate fraudulent scheme involving the common stock of
Angeion Corporation"
Notes
Help! Can anyone identify other large Dot1web investors? Are ANY of them complaining?
Help! Can anyone find the SEC filings for Dot1Web?
Help! What other businesses are these people involved with?
Bob Demaio may also be involved with:
Yucatan's Fresh Mex Grill
3330 Lake Tahoe Blvd. (in the Fremont Mall)
South Lake Tahoe, CA 96150
530-542-8720
Also known as:
Yucatans Fresh Mexican Grill, in Stateline, Nevada, County of Eldorado
Or, Yucatans Fresh Mex Grill,
Yucatans Fresh Mexico Grill,
Yucantans Fresh Mexican Grill,
Yucantans Fresh Mex Grill, and
Yucantans Fresh Mexico Grill,
as well as a limousine company? Styline Limousine?????
7) Court Cases | top
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A civil case is where a private party tries to sue to recover damages.
A criminal case is where a public law was broken, that may involve fines or jail time.
In a civil case, the jury or judge can subjectively decide whatever they want, based on partial responsibility or negligence.
But in a criminal case, guilt should be "proven beyond a reasonable doubt" so
it's very possible to win in one court and lose in the other. Just ask O.J.
Here we collect records from every county where any of these individuals
or businesses have connections
(refer Tahoe map or Los Angeles).
Within each county, we search for:
Within each agency, we search for every:
The results are listed below (only 60% researched so far).
Washoe County, NV | next county |
The Company:
LowestBids.com (13) Drive4U.com (5) Bid-Soft, Inc (2) Dot1Web (2) Robert DeMaio (9) Colin Quinn (1) | Versus:
Christopher McPeters (12) Melinda Thompson (3) Bear Ridge Developers (2) |
Washoe County Recorders info at http://207.228.25.173/icris/documentSearch.jsp found two items:
Doc. # 2644942
-- $464,758 Judgement against LowestBids.com and Robert C. DeMaio, by L90 Inc.
Storey County, NV | next county |
Carson County, NV | next county |
Douglas County, NV | next county |
Douglas County Recorders Office at http://www.co.douglas.nv.us/databases/recorders/ shows two items:
Doc. # 536298
-- 3/6/2002, judgement against Robert DeMaio by NEVADA/STATE OF EMPLOYMENT SECURITY
Doc. #536572
-- 3/8/2002, judgement against Robert DeMaio, by ORTEGA, MIREY A and CLINE, RON.
Property tax info at http://www.co.douglas.nv.us/databases/treasurers/default.asp shows nothing.
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Public Recorders Office is at
http://sandgate.co.clark.nv.us:8498/cicsRecorder/orno.htm,
but indicates no records found.
Property tax records have not been found online, yet.
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Searching for DeMaio finds 7 documents recorded:
10/15/1996 -- Doc. #52234 (Book 4787, Page 419) -- Mechanics Lien against DEMAIO ROBERT C DBA
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We are advised to look for:
U.S. District Court, EASTERN DISTRICT OF CALIFORNIA (Sacramento)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 97-CV-1967 -- Chevys Inc v. Demaio
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From http://courts.countyofventura.org/civcase/search_name.asp
Case 116078
-- CHARLES C HULIEN VS ROBERT C DEMAIO
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8) Employee Complaints | top
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Why Collect Information In One Place?
Because there are many other people involved besides investors.
Hundreds of vendors and employees have legitimate complaints against Dot1web.
Name-calling doesn't work.
If someone calls someone a scoundrel or vaguely implies wrong-doing
without specifically stating what, where, when and how,
then they're just making themselves look impetuous.
They look like an unhappy child venting, with no direction or rational thought.
The approach does not have much credibility.
Propaganda doesn't work.
If someone praises a company, spinning vague promises of good things happening,
they just look like a corporate flunky, spreading PR misinformation and manipulating people.
The approach does not have much credibility.
People need information, not noise. They need all the information for a complete picture, not just the bits and pieces chosen from someone's own agenda. There is no informational content when someone says "Let's rally the troops against the evil bastards!" just as there is no information given when a company says "We are committed to making things right". Beyond trying to make people feel good, what are the facts?
How have people specifically been hurt?
1) Bounced paychecks -- Dot1web payroll checks bounced on six occassions in half a year,
causing hardship, anguish and stress for employees trying to work around them.
Roughly 300 paychecks bounced, causing about $2,000 in bank fees, and damaging many personal credit reports.
2) Lost wages -- Most employees never got their last two or three paychecks.
Roughly 130 people lost $3,000 to $7,000 each, for about $480,000 stolen from family budgets across three states.
3) Misrepresentation -- Many employees spent personal money moving to Incline Village,
financing purchases, and making commitments believing that Dot1web was a reliable, stable income.
Estimate that 50 overly optimistic employees spent $2,000 unnecessarily, for about $100,000 lost.
4) Lack of communication -- At the end,
many employees trekked hours to work in a snowstorm thinking they
still had a job. Most were simply ignored for a few weeks, left to wonder if their job existed or not.
A simple phone call could have avoided this personal insult and confusion.
Estimate that 100 people lost 5 days of time, fretting and working
through the situation, for about $100,000 in lost wages that could have
been earned elsewhere that week, if someone had just said "Here's your pay. You're fired".
5) Vendors ripped off -- Many suppliers never got paid for goods and services provided.
Estimate that ten vendors lost $10,000 to $30,000 each, for about $200,000 unpaid.
Plus, a CD distributor in Florida may have lost $280,000
and now be forced to sell his house to cover their expense.
6) Emotional distress -- To put it in perspective, nobody lost their life. Nobody got cancer or was physically injured. Nobody embezzled a million dollars, destroyed much property, or even ran away. A month after everyone left, the company was still trying to find investors to pay off all their debts, so they can continue doing what they do. Just for comparison, no employees lost much more than they would if they wiped out a $10,000 car. To the average person, that's pretty big though. The disrespect and continuous misinformation by the company led to health problems, broken homes, and tremendous stress and anger directed at the company. Every employee was hurt in some way.
The total estimated here for the employees and vendors involved in December 2002 is about $1,160,000 in possible damage. This does not count over $800,000 in past contracts, layoffs, judgements and lawsuits stretching over six years.
This is just our best estimate, based on what we see, hear, and experienced as employees within Dot1web.
We don't claim this is highly accurate (yet) but it's the best good-faith, common-sense, understanding that we
can put together. It's a subjective estimate and you may know more information,
in which case please let us know what you think.
All these problems could have been avoided if:
1) If employees were told how small and new (speculative and risky)
the company is up front, at the job interview.
Then they would know what they're getting into, and accept the odds.
2) If employees were simply fired a month earlier, with full pay and good communication.
Then things would have been honest, clean, and certain.
3) If company bank accounts were managed each week, so that existing money was in the proper account as needed. Or if employees were directly asked to hold their paychecks for a few days, while the paperwork was sorted out.
4) If vendors had a way to check Dot1web's track record, they would surely demand payment in advance. Then Dot1web would be forced to deal responsibly with projects and expenses, day by day.
It's that simple! Common courtesy and communication. Think about it.
The average person really just wants to help, however they can.
People will bend over backwards to make things work.
Give them the respect they deserve. Keep them informed, so
arrangements can be made however it's needed.
This is an rough first estimate, by people who were there.
What else happened?
What was the right thing for the company to do?
Please email specific ideas, complaints
and what should have been done to Dot1news@yahoo.com.
Or post them on one of the forums,
so at least we can be clear how to avoid disasters in the future.
Live and learn.
9) Advertised Claims | top
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Claim #1: LowestBids.com was the #2 auction site.
Employees were repeatedly reminded, impressed and swayed with the fact that
"For a while last year, LowestBids.com was the #2 auction site behind eBay".
Some press articles state the claim too:
But let's check some traffic reports at:
Notice that:
1) LowestBids.com made it onto the charts for only one month (March 2001)
One Possible Interpretation
This seems to indicate a massive advertising campaign got 5.4 million visitors
to look at the website, and not much else.
With an average visit of only a minute, the first thing did these visitors immediately did was run away.
How fast can you frustrate and alienate 5.4 million people?
LowestBids.com did it (on average!) in 1 minute, 27 seconds.
Therefore: The claim is true.
For one month LowestBids.com was the #2 auction site,
by number of unique visitors.
But how would you define a "User"? Someone who was trapped by a popup ad for a whole
minute, or someone who used a website for 2 hours to actually buy and sell things?
A Second Interpretation
Please correct my math as I'm an idiot, and there must be a mistake here somewhere.
5.4 million people each spending only 1 minute, 27 seconds doesn't sound like a lot.
But it amounts to 130,500 hours of people's personal time spent, just for March 2001.
That's about the same amount of time spent by 100 people working 40 hours/week for over 8 months!
That's a lot of humanity.
All for what? What value was produced by those popup ads engaging many people? What public benefit did the advertising campaign of March 2001 serve, when 98% of the public simply ran away disgusted?
Also, the LowestBids.com website claims "Since 12/1/00, # Auctions: 1814".
Even if all those auctions were concentrated in March 2001,
that's over 72 hours of the public's attention consumed
to promote EACH auction on the website.
72 hours of advertising to sell a $50 item.
Claim #2: Yours ...
What were you promised or told? Can you find some way to verify or contradict the claim?
Please send info to
Dot1news@yahoo.com
so we can research
and compare a persons word to the actual facts.
10) Nevada Labor Commissioner | top
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Office of the Labor Commissioner
675 Fairview Drive Suite 226
Carson City, NV 89701
PH: 775.687.4850
FAX: 775.687.6409
Q. Does my employer have to give me notice when he fires me? Do I have to give notice when I quit?
A. NO. Notice is not required by either party.
Q. When does my employer have to pay me after I quit or have been fired?
A. When you are fired or laid off, wages and compensation earned and unpaid when discharged become due and
payable immediately. If you quit, wages and compensation must be paid no later than the day on which you would
have been regularly been paid or within 7 days, whichever is earlier.
Q. Am I entitled to my unused vacation when I am fired or quit?
A. Nevada requires payment only for time worked and does not require payment for vacation time.
Q. I haven't been paid. What should I do?
A. First, ask the employer for what you are owed. Then, if you do not receive payment, you may file a complaint
with the Office of the Labor Commissioner in Las Vegas or Carson City. For a copy of the wage claim form, click here.
Q. What information should I bring?
A. Bring copies of check stubs, time records, receipts, the names and addresses of all managers, supervisors,
owners, or officers of the employer and any other information that might be helpful in proving your claim,
including the names of any witnesses that can testify on your behalf.
Publicizing your situation may be the only effective way to get results,
and recording a lawsuit is a lasting way to publicize what has happened.
At least the next guy can see what happened to you and step around the quicksand.
Help! 1/30/03 -- Anyone have other experiences with lawsuits, or the Labor Commissioner, good or bad?
How often does the Labor Commissioner pass the buck, as their letter to CodeDog.org/nv/afford.htm:
"A review of your claim shows that you have the financial ability to employ counsel.
Therefore, the Nevada Labor Commission is without jurisdiction.
[...] You may elect to file your claim in the Justice Court of Small Claim Court
since the Nevada Labor Commission does not have jurisdiction."
Or, as CodeDog says on http://www.codedog.org/nvsmry.htm
"In closing, I read somewhere that only two in ten workers file
claims for unpaid wages that are due.
I also read that in close to ninety percent of (all) cases where money is owed,
and a favorable judgment is won in a court of law, the party awarded the judgement never sees a dime."
1/26/03 -- One respondent writes:
"According to the labor laws, if payment is not made after 72 hours of termination,
employees are entitled to a day's pay for every day following that period.
This max's out at thirty days. So, we should be entitled to a month's pay in
addition to our back pay.
This penalty is enforced at the discretion of the Investigator handling the case.
When I asked her about this penalty, she just said it was being considered and
could give no further detail. While we're entitled to it, I'm not sure it's something we should expect".
1/27/03 -- Another respondent says:
"The law states burned employees are entitled to pay at their regular rate,
for each day their wages go unpaid, up to 30 days. (Weekends, holidays included)
Note: This is the standard practice in many states. The Carson City Office of the Labor Commissioner (Investigator Lois Kelly & Deputy Labor Commissioner Michael Tanchek), however, practice lip sevice to enforcement of labor law. They prefer not to recover an employees wages or appropriate fines, thus supporting non-payment of employees.
To wit: Bob DeMaio continues to scoff in the face of Nevada Labor Law with impunity. This situation is way over due, for some serious (loud & public) scrutiny."
These are some of the ideas we have been hearing.
For the actual regulations, try "Laws & Regulations Enforced by the Labor Commissioner"
located at http://www.laborcommissioner.com/lawsandregs.htm.
NRS 608.050 Wages to be paid at termination of service: Penalty; employee’s lien.
One after the other, the response to these five questions (as of January 2003) was:
"We won't know until the investigation is completed".
"We won't know until the investigation is completed".
"We won't know until the investigation is completed".
"We won't know until the investigation is completed".
"We won't know until the investigation is completed".
After hearing the same thing five times in a row, I had to ask just one more.
Okay. That says it pretty clearly.
At least they're being honest when they actually say they don't know what they're doing, or why.
We were never allowed to be that honest at Dot1web!
It says it right there in black and white.
Just because a carpenter is given a hammer doesn't mean she has to use it everywhere she goes. It's not a carpenter's job to use a hammer. It's her job to build things, and sometimes a hammer comes in handy. What's the Labor Commissioner's job?
What's their purpose? What motivates them? Do they answer to any idea or anybody?
That's all. I can't find any other sense of purpose within their literature.
Are they to improve working conditions? Are they for attracting businesses to the state, no matter how?
Are they for settling disputes? Are they for finding and prosecuting criminals? Are they supposed to build the economy,
protect labor unions, or generate taxes?
Well, "impartial" means they literally have no interest. Don't expect them to care one way or the other. About anything. They're supposed to not care!
"Effecting reasonable compromises" does not mean the law has to be followed, or that a particular outcome is desired. It does not require a lawsuit, demand, legal action, enforcement, fairness, justice, punishment, or anything at all. A compromise, however they judge it to be reasonable, usually means everybody bends. Something like "Everybody does what they can, and that's that". Can you do without a paycheck? Well, that's that. You've compromised.
Often in a compromise, everybody gets what they want just not as much as they want. Which is to say nobody gets what they want, but everybody gets something. Even if it's just a consolation prize, a souvenir, or a lot of paperwork and bad memories, at least you'll have something. File a wage claim, and your wage claim will be filed. There you go.
But notice, the Labor Commissioner will impartially perform this service for the employer and employee only "where possible". If they think a reasonable compromise is not possible, they just go home. They can make petitions, declarations, and final determinations all day long, but if they get tired of it then good night. Their mission was successfully accomplished as soon as you filed a claim with them. They brought forth the facts.
We're still trying to figure the Labor Commissioner out. Do they declare or promise anything more than this?
Is there some other duty or purpose for the Labor Commissioner that we haven't seen?
11) Nevada Unemployment Insurance | top
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Nevada Department of Employment, Training & Rehabilitation
DETR
500 E. Third Street
Carson City, NV 89713
According to http://detr.state.nv.us/uiben/uiben_uiben.htm:
All unemployment is handled through our automated telephone system,
or our Internet Claims System.
Northern Nevada (775) 684-0350
Southern Nevada (702) 486-0350
Rural Nevada, Long Distance or Interstate (888) 890-8211
Internet Claims Website www.ui.nvjoblink.org for:
Notes
1/19/03 -- Many people are reporting that the Department of ETR has no record of them being employees
for Dot1web (aka LowestBids.com). Only six employees are on file, out of 137 that were actually employed.
And Dot1web has not yet made unemployment insurance payments for the second half of 2002,
the period when most of those employees were hired.
No worries, the DETR will still pay unemployment to all employees with valid claims, from state funds, and then pursue the company for the money it owes.
To qualify, you must have worked in Nevada for two quarters within a 1-year period (from October 2001 through September 2002). On April 7, this 1-year qualifying period shifts three months (to January 2002 - December 2002).
12) Stock Certificates | top
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Shareholder Notices
In order to receive new certificates in Dot1web, holders of LowestBids.com and Drive4u.com stock certificates must send their certificates to Dot1web's transfer agent, Interwest Transfer Company, at 1981 East 4800 South, Suite 100, Salt Lake City, UT 84117, Attention: Catherine Leaututu. If shareholders wish to have stock certificates issued in the same name in which they are currently held on the register of LowestBids.com or Drive4u.com, they need only send the stock certificate.
If stockholders wish to have the new Dot1web certificate held under a different name, they will need to either endorse the certificate or provide Interwest with an Assignment Separate from Security (also called a "stock power") and will need to have their signature medallion guaranteed (not notarized) by a participant in the Securities Transfer Agents Medallion Program. Stockholders with questions are urged to contact Catherine Leaututu at Interwest at 801/272-9294 or Dot1web at 775/832-8676.
Notes
1/23/02 -- Catherine Leaututu reports that Interwest no longer does business with Dot1web. Sorry.
(How much did they have to not pay her to say that?)
1/29/03 -- If you have stock certificates, please hold on to them for the company poker game scheduled for September 5, 2003. This is the day they become publicly tradeable (1 year and 1 day from going public on 9/4/02). Certificates that are in the shape of a paper airplane or an origami animal will not be accepted to wager in the game. Unless your name is Chad.
1/30/03 -- The "Dot1web Stock Redemption Poker Game" has been cancelled, as the host no longer wants anything
whatsoever to do with Dot1web. Sorry.
13) What You Can Do | top
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1) Post a sincere complaint to a dozen online consumer agencies.
2) Promote Dot1news.
Publish a webpage that links to Dot1news. Or find discussion forums where you can post a link to Dot1news. Then submit these pages to the search engines for indexing.
The more webpages refer to this one, the higher it ranks in the search results! With higher placement on the search engines, then a potential investor or employee of Dot1web will be able to find this info quickly and easily.
3) Go to the press.
Many ex-employees and vendors have been sending information to
4) Sue the company.
A group of ex-employees is looking to pool their resources for a lawsuit against Robert DeMaio.
They tell us:
Help! Anyone know some other bulletin boards
or blogs that we could post Dot1news info on?
14) What's New? | top
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1/17/03 -- Added the "Rewriting History" section, with links to our archives.
1/19/03 -- Found the Dot1web Financial Statements!
1/24/03 -- Thanks Charlie395, for sending the new FuckedCompany.com archives.
1/30/03 -- Apparently, directors Mike Franco and Larry Warkentin resigned in November and December, 2002, respectively.
2/03/03 -- Found 7 more judgements and tax liens against Robert DeMaio in El Dorado County
2/20/03 -- New article in the Bonanza.
3/29/03 -- Okay, things have been quiet for a couple months. There's some activity
Description:
Just FYI, over 20 news articles and 20 court cases involving Dot1web Inc. (aka LowestBids.com, Drive4u.com, WebWideISP.com), and their CEO Robert DeMaio are listed at
http://www.oocities.org/Dot1news.
Help! For further research, does anyone know addresses,
phone, website, procedures and regulations, etc, for
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